The SWAMP
The SWAMP
Gerald's Game
Content Warnings For This Episode Include: sexual assault, abuse, sexual trauma, childhood sexual abuse, body horror, please listen at your own caution!
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Hello and welcome. You're listening to The Swamp. It is an acronym. Stands for some whack ass movie podcasting. And on this day, before we talk about Gerald's Game, I'd like to talk about some other really important acronyms. you know, if we're talking about getting spicy in the bedroom, we're going to do RACK, some risk-aware, consensual kink, okay? Not happening in this film. That's for sure. What else are we talking about? The C's
Four C's, caring, consent, communication, caution, caution. That is also important. Consent. What do we know the acronym about consent that everyone learns their freshman year of college when they weirdly like do Parents Day and they're like, we're all going to watch the like Consent is Tea video. Did that happen to anyone else? FRIES, freely given, reversible, informed, enthusiastic and specific.
Okay, Gerald, he did not have any sex ed classes. That's fucking sure. Also, also PSA, the handcuffs, the handcuffs, a key should not be involved. Nowhere should a key be involved. Even if they're like the joke fuzzy ones and they were cheap, if there's a key, no, no, we're not using them. I could not reasonably, yeah, I think that was really where red flag number one came from because I think
As adults, like, no one, I mean, listen, everyone's having sex, right? We're all boning. Never would I ever look at someone and say, yes, absolutely. Just leave me here. Especially now that you've seen this movie. You can say, what, you're gonna Gerald skin me? You're gonna Gerald me? gonna die on top me? You're gonna Gerald me? Absolutely not.
I think that's one of those things. I'm like, if you ever are in like a situation with someone that has that or wants that and like it has like a key sort of situation or anything other than like soft cuffs or something like that, giant red flag, get the fuck out of there. There's no Unless you've had a lot of specific conversations ahead of time about what risk awareness, okay? I think unless you are both active like participants and fully like knowledgeable,
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in your kink community. I want to fucking hear it. There's no half measures on this shit. Well, and that is to get into a bit of a serious note before we talk about Gerald's game for some content warnings. OK, if you're listening to the swamp at this point, you kind of know that we speak very freely, but it would I would be remiss if we said anything that like triggered anyone. this episode will be talking about gore, lot of like the gore of
a degloving, which I don't know. flesh. Yeah, mutilation, also mostly childhood sexual assault, just sexual assault, rape, like rape, kink, trauma. Corrosion. Physiological, psychological trauma and reliving it. Very intense movie with a lot of heavy themes. Just about any trigger, consider yourself warned. Just before we get into it, because it's...
The premise of this movie is that the mom from Spy Kids, Carmen and Junie's mom gets tied up by her older gentleman lawyer husband, played by Bruce Greenwood, who when he popped up, I was like, ooh, Huddy. And then I was like, why do I think that? Because he hasn't done anything hot. I'm like, what kernel in my brain is like, oh, I D's him as hot? And it's because he was a late
late Mad Men, like I think the last season, was a love interest for Joan and he was like a wealthy older gentleman kind of guy. he was also in the 2009 DJ Abrams Star Trek movie, which I did really love at the time. And he also plays, he plays a fucking Chris Pines hot.
dad who comes in and takes charge. So that's where I was getting Bruce Greenwood. But then immediately he was giving me the ick because he ties up his wife. He has this younger wife. We get some shots there going away to their cabin. Which of course this is based off of, we're doing Stephen King stuff this month. is based off of a Stephen King book. Not even a short story. This is a whole ass book. Which is interesting. So she gets tied up because they're going to the cabin to spice up their marriage and do sexy times.
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a way where no one can hear you scream. I don't, he- Like the fact that she signed onto this in general, I'm like, cause I also do feel like this was part of what he said he told her, obviously. I'm not sure that I believe that. Right. We get little indication- the woods though? Of like what the pre-pretext was for what's her name, Jess. I don't want to just call her the mom from Spy Kids. That's so rude. Jess, our protagonist, Jess, she-
is like, okay, I'm into this. You know, I put on my little slip, it's sexy time. And then he pops a little Viagra. And he's like, I'm ready to party. Let's, you know, let's get to pound town. And we get the sense that like they have not made love in quite some time. Energy about their marriage, you know, she's quite tense about it. I wanted to ask, cause I wasn't sure if I caught this right or not. He takes two Viagra, right? Is that the whole thing? Like the precursor to like, that's why he gets a heart attack.
to the, yeah, yeah, the precursor to the heart attack is the Viagra. The double dose, yeah. Because he's ready to go to pound town. And so he's like, I'm into these handcuffs. And he handcuffs her to the bed in a very unsafe, unprofessional way, okay? Be a fucking professional. When you're having sex with your wife or anyone, be fucking courteous and professional and responsible, okay?
But anyways, Gerald is doing none of these things and he chains her up basically and starts getting on top of her but then he starts divulging more into this like rape fantasy where he wants her to scream. He's like, scream for help as loud as you can. And she's like, Whoa, I don't know if I really want to do that. And he's like, Hey, you're really killing my vibe.
And she's like, no, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's just like, it's like, this is feeling kind of weird. And they're like starting to have a conversation about it, but he basically immediately guilt her into being like, no, no, I guess we can sort of try it. And then he like actually does start raping her and she's actually screaming for real. And then he, she like kind of bites his lip and he sort of pulls back. And then he has a heart attack and dies on top of her.
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And then his body sort of slumps over and she has to kick him up with her legs and then she kicks him onto the ground. And then there's this, basically the rest of the movie is her internal psychological dialogue where she imagines, you know, a version of him and a version of herself in the room, talking to her, talking about how are going to get out of this situation? What are you going to do? know, they're giving her advice and stuff, but then also she starts to see the hat man and
The hat man is like offering his bag of bones in the corner and she's like, whoa, I do not like that. Do not want to deal with that. That cannot be real. Daytime again. It's like, how are we going to save ourselves? She's getting water. She's making a straw to drink the water. It's like a lot of problem solving. But then basically what it comes down to is that she has to relive her childhood sexual trauma and face the fact that she shouldn't be blaming her herself.
And then once she sort of gets that breakthrough, she degloves her own fucking hand and rips all the skin off to the fingertip in a viscerally disgusting sequence that like, it's so hard, so hard to watch. Yeah, I was having a really hard time with it and I knew I was going to because I, first of all, I want to go on record set and say this was my choice for the movie.
And I'll go on the record and say that I've watched this movie more than once. So it's no one's fault. Hey, the theme of the film. It's not your fault. It's not. It's not your fault. Thank you. Thank you. Thank Thank you. But I was told that this was the most fucked up one. So I was like, well, if we're doing Stephen King month, I want us to do, you know, the most fucked up one. I didn't realize exactly in what ways. actually, I was like, oh.
okay, not like gore. We're talking like genuinely human experience fucked up. Got it, got Of course, on top of it, the degloving scene, which, my God, I thought I was handling it okay. Mind you, I was watching it through the slits in my fingers. And then I proceeded to throw up in my mouth. Was immediately after she fully yanked it off and you just see that slab of flesh go flying. I said, yeah, I'm good.
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Vomited and swallowed it. It was really awesome. This was definitely a movie that I did a craft during which is very impactful because then you can look down at your craft when he's jerking off on his teenage daughters back in the eclipse, you know, it's like I'm well and now we're going back to the craft. What was your craft? I ask? I was carving a stamp because I had a request from someone to make like a hand stamp. Yes. Yes. Like for an activity. Sure.
I don't know if you can see, I have one on my arm. was doing practice ones. But I was making a stamp for, my friend is hosting a Renaissance Fair themed. Wait, are you doing runes or something? What are you doing? No, what are you doing? It's a mouse. It's a mouse? Okay. It's to indicate that you have the plague. it's going to be like a game where you get Oh, they're playing a game. Oh, okay, Oh, there's going be lots of games. There's going to be riddles and it's a Renaissance fest. It's to be joust.
We're gonna joust. Okay, fantastic. Ryan is actively my brother Ryan who does cosplay. If anyone ever wants to follow him, he's at on Instagram at I think, Ry underscore anyone. he's big. I'll put it the link below in the description. If anyone's a big cosplayer, this kid is fucking nasty at it. But he's hitting me up with a wizard's cloak. So that's gonna be dope. I know. think I've been
I think he's getting me, I told him to make me runes. That's why I was like, wait, is someone else jacking my style? That would be dope. Some hand runes. I'm almost done with Baldur's Gate for those who care. For those who care about gamer corner, I'm like 99 % done with Baldur's Gate. I'm like on the last fight. And it's really... I was going to say, how do you feel? Cause that's... I'm feeling emotional. it's like the cycle of life because I know I'm going to start again.
Like I know I'm just going to start over again, but this time I have so much more knowledge. Gerald's game. so basically though, then she degloves herself and she gets help. She manages, she manages, she gets some water, the phone, the iPhone is dead. What a weird, jarring thing to see. A really outdated iPhone. Like in a movie.
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This movie, yeah, this movie is a 2017 Netflix production, which I think is really important to know. It's made by Mike Flanagan, who does all of the haunting of Hill House, haunting of blind manors. they're very, he's basically- keep his balls in a jar. And he keeps all the actors' balls in a jar because he has them just on a short list and he's like, okay, hey, squad back up. Unfortunately, I can't be-
all people from Haunting of Hill House in Bly Manor for this movie, basically. of course. But I also cannot be mad because Carla is fantastic. I think she's great in just about everything she does with him. But I thought she did a great job in this. As is the one who plays the mom who is also she like plays the, you know, they play sisters in Haunting of Hill House in See, I still haven't watched it. Maybe I throw that on after this because it's one of those things.
I really like it as far as like it's pretty classically scary. Yeah, I just know. Like a ghoul ghost, know? I just know all the lesbians really liked or shouted out, lie manor. But then she crashes her car into a bridge. She don't care. She loves it and she gets help. And then basically what had happened was she starts reading the news and she's like, I'm following this like serial killer.
who's doing all of these things that sort of become this red string of like, this is the guy I saw in the corner. The Moonlight Man. It was, yeah, did she call him the Moonlight The Moonlight Man. I'll get into some discrepancies between the book and the movie. Not that I've read it, but I was really interested to see what the source material was like. I can, so she calls him the space cowboy in the book, which I think is a lot like more.
I don't know, because it's more akin to the hat man. know, that weird shimmery guy over there, you know, the space cowboy. But she's like, I feel like that guy was real. And then she's vindicated because it was an actual guy who had been breaking into homes and doing nefarious things with people's bodies and, you know, necrophilia, but only to men. So she was fine. So he definitely like defiled the husbands. Gerald's body was like really done for because there was also a dog. The dog was also actually
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actively eating Gerald's body the whole time, which was also part of the whole trauma. The hat man got to Gerald, but he didn't really care so much about Jess. Then at the end, she goes to the courthouse to confront him. The whole thing is that he's a guy with some sort of genetic disease of giantism. he has- His pituitary gland is in overdrive.
So he has long arms and a big ass head. Actually Lurch from the Addams family. Legit, that's the That's the actor? Nice! So they were like, and he is a person who's physically deformed, so he represents all male evil. No. I did not!
that I did not like that ending and she goes and she confronts him and she's like you're not even that big and he's like you're not real which is like what she had said to him but also that you know he views his victims and hers you know not real because he's a serial killer whatever whatever and then she's really she has her girl boss moment and she gets out of there but I just I did not like so this is where I was like what was the
happening in the book, because I don't think Stephen King did this and he didn't. Because I was like, this feels so weird at the end here. I don't know. Yeah. Well, he wasn't real in the book. That's the whole thing is he wasn't real. No, he was. He was just a guy. He was not. He didn't have any genetic. him fucked up. Yeah. He was just and they meet and they have a real, you know, sort of interaction. It was, know, obviously it was a book, so they get more into it.
but he was just, he was a guy. I mean, a very evil fucked up twisted guy, it was not, it was not having to do with the giantism. Yeah. Yeah. So I do want to ask, since you've done the digging on the Stephen King side of things, um, cause I saw that a lot of people called this, um, story like un, unmakeable in terms of being a movie or something like that.
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So I guess my question is, is this that truthful of an adaptation? Because I saw that it was supposedly, in your professional opinion, having done some research, not that you read it, but still. Yeah. Is it all torture porn in the same way that this movie just felt like torture porn? I can speak on this only to someone who has done very little topical research, but I was literally it was not a f**k ass.
that fuck-ass ending that I was like, I don't think this is how the book went. I'm like, just knowing kind of, I don't know, the beats of Stephen King, not that I'm an expert. I'm like, I don't think he made him physically deformed. here's the thing. He'll do the fucked up stuff. He'll do the child orgy in it, which on that note, I would also love if someone out there wants a project for me. And mind you, I don't know what the status of Stephen King's cocaine usage was through the decades.
Oh, I thought you were gonna say right now. Like he's not right now. He's sober, I know that. But I would love to see a graph of like a year chart of his most fucked up stuff in correlation to what his cocaine usage was. Do you know what I mean? honestly, I feel like fucked up is probably not good. It's probably just truly like quality of writing, I would guess. know, like trucks. Trucks is what was coming out when, oh wait, did you know about last week's episode?
Never mind. You don't listen. You don't listen to the show. Ha ha ha. Caught, caught, caught on blast. I was caught. I was caught. No, I don't know anything about trucks. Was it dookie? yeah. so the book, the difference, the main differences that I could identify in the book, which I actually thought would have been way better for the movie. If I had been making the movie, I think I actually would have kept it truer to the book, which is that she
He has a heart attack because she kicks him in the dick. She is like, she goes into fight or flight and she's like, yo, get the fuck off me. She kicks him in the dick and he seizes up. And then that's how he has the heart attack. I think whether there's pre a preamble of Viagra who's to say like probably also, I don't know, but I just liked that more because it was like, cause then she has this like guilt, right? Of like, like it was more her actual fault. Whereas this was like very much.
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just a happenstance. So that happens. then the voices that she primarily begins to hear are like other versions of herself. So she's not really, she doesn't have a vision and a voice of Gerald really. Like she's considering him and it's, know, it's not passing the Bechdel test cause we're always talking about him, but she, the versions of herself that she talks to are like a trophy wife, perfect her.
version who's like puritanical and is like shaming her for doing something sinful and sexual. like, how will people react when they find you dead here? Like you look embarrassing basically. And then also a child version of her and the child version of her is talking to her. then that's also where like more of the healing elements come from. It's like her learning to be more forgiving to this kid version of herself in this moment while the kid version is trying to save her and help her.
Right? feel like that thematically is like getting deeper into what ends up happening rather than it's just like, she's such a victim. She's such a victim. She's getting berated by her dead husband. Victim, victim, victim. Yeah, that's the thing. I just hated that they made him like her fear basically is that was his his alter ego. He was just like her dad. Because the whole point is that she has this big flashback and she is confronting.
this thing that happened to her where her family was on vacation and it was an eclipse and the rest of her family goes out on a boat and the dad is being really creepy. Elliot from ET, it turns out, who he's also in, I don't know why I didn't clock that. He's in a lot of Mike Flanagan. He's in a lot of Mike Flanagan stuff. But the dad from ET is like, sit on my lap. You look so good in that dress. Just like classic creepy dad shit, creepy uncle shit. And he...
jerks off onto her back while the eclipse is happening and then they have this really loaded conversation in the house where he basically immediately gaslights her and is like, you don't want anyone to find out about this. Everyone's gonna blame you. And then making her feel like, I need to keep it a secret. And then she obviously carries that with her into adulthood, which is why it's important to go to therapy. Folks, not saying that she didn't, but maybe this could have been avoided because it seems like her and Gerald had not really been married for that long.
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11 years? It says 11 years. Really? Yeah. Oh, I guess I missed that. Or like nine. It's definitely like in an upper like 10 year mark. He was actually 61, like the actor. didn't care to look up how old she was. looked fantastic. I was like, what's the upper litmus on like hot old guy? And I do feel like I just Googled Willem Dafoe age. Willem Dafoe 70. Exactly. So I'm like, okay. I'm like, you can be 70 and hot.
Like, confirmed. We've confirmed it. Very circumstantial, but yeah. Hot old celebrity, not anything new. but she's more in the book talking to other versions of herself. I think would have been...
better, but I feel like they just more wanted to just use the actors, like keep it kind of a closed thing and not probably over complicate the story. But I just felt like the first, the first like 10 minutes of this and then the from the degloving to the end actually kind of gripping even though the ending fucking sucks. I would send like cut the last seven minutes. then the whole middle of this movie was such a slog to me.
because it's like we're unpacking all of her trauma in a way that is just a flat retelling of a child getting abused. Exactly. I wish it was a little more intercut as well because it was very like...
she falls asleep and she has a nightmare. And the nightmare is this part one of this story. And then she wakes up the next day and she's like, has to like, you know, get herself up and going again and ready to like fight for her life. And then she like has a panic attack basically with her brain version of Gerald and her brain version of herself. And then she passes out from, you know, I don't know, exhaustion, fear, whatever. And then you get
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part two of the story. I just think it would have been so much more interesting to have it like non-linear in that way of like, you're gonna be like in and out obviously while you're dealing with this. Your body is under so much stress. And also if you did it with, you know, several different versions of my girl Carla, it would have been also gas. I would have rather seen six different versions of her on screen than one man.
One sexy 61 year old with a shirt off. Right. like one of the app in such a great acting opportunity for her because she's phenomenal. The other voices that she hears, though, in the book are all women, too. Like one is a roommate from college and who's there's another one, too. They're like other other women in her life who she evaluates. She's like, I don't let myself get close to friends because of this thing in my past. It's like that is also a part of.
reconciling with trauma that could have been addressed in an interesting way. I know it's really heavy material and you can only handle it as carefully as you can handle it. Mike Flanagan is clearly trying to do the right thing here. It just feels a little do just think it could have been, I don't know, maybe a little bit more feminine perspective could have given this movie and probably the book as well.
But Stephen King, so to get into a little bit more, Laura, to dig a little bit even deeper, when we were covering Misery, I told you that Stephen King loved Kathy Bates' performance so much that he then wrote a book for her to star in. And in that moment, I could not remember the name of it, but now I do. It's called Dolores Clareborn. And he wrote the book and they immediately made a movie of it with Kathy Bates because that was basically the whole intention to begin with.
The whole thing is this woman in a coastal Maine town, obviously, her daughter has to come back to town from being far away because her mom is being put on, her mom, Kathy Bates, is being put on trial for accused of the murder of the older woman who like employs her. And she's like, I didn't kill that woman, but I did kill someone else, my husband, 10 years ago. And let me tell you the story. she basically, it's like the unfolding of her like.
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basically proving herself innocent of one murder by actually confessing to another in a long drawn out way. But apparently Stephen King around this time said that this Gerald's Game was very much the companion piece to Dolores Clare Bourne. And in a moment in the book where Jess is like having one of her visions, or I think she says she remembers as a kid, like,
feeling the presence of an adult woman in her mind and it's Dolores Clareborn and they're doing a low-key shining thing with each other. Oh, wow. Because they do touch on that here. And it goes unresolved. Unaddressed. Yeah, unaddressed. But that's Kathy Bates shining in. Yo, oh my god. To give this young woman some I know you had a cameo. About killing your husband because she said, know a thing or two. I think it's But Stephen King said...
that he was very much inspired by his wife and his wife's sisters about these books, because they were very much about the female experience of being abused, which is weird to be like, shout out to my family for giving me insight about what it's like to be a woman. I'm at least glad he consulted some women, at least had the forethought to do a little bit of that.
Yeah, I do wish that someone else consulted the casting director though, because, sorry, what was that actor's name that played Gerald? Can you tell me? Bruce Greenwood. Yeah, Bruce Greenwood has gay face. No, really? You think he's gay? I don't know that I think he's gay. I think he has gay face. Oh, I think he just has like...
handsome, tidy older gentleman, you know, maybe a little military. That's why it's giving gay to you, think. It's because he's very clean. He's very clean looking. I guess it was giving what do they call it in the early 2000s? Metrosexual? Metrosexual? Everyone was saying, I do not think it's good. All this talk of like, bring back more slurs, use more slurs. Like that is really fucked up, actually. Please do not speak like that. No, please.
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But I did see a good post that was like all of this performative male content of like men performatively reading books in public and drinking like matcha lattes. Just call them what we did in 2002, which is just metrosexual. No, truly. That term. Just call them Metro and then they'll stop being performative. No, that term got eradicated. But I remember it early on, like, you know, when you're a kid. because it is problematic. Well, yes, of course. But yes, but I do think that, yeah, come on.
While we do not condone any games brought to you by Gerald or just any men, any games that are brought to you by men particularly, we can endorse one game hosted by Jen, Dara's lovely mother and our chocolate or vanilla host. Woo, the way you were about to say Gerald and Gerald Enterprises, endorsed by the greater Gerald. Jen, how are you this week? I am very good, how are you guys?
Doing okay. I'm all right considering that I watched this movie this week. Yeah, rough, rough one. Jen, is there a theme this week? I never seen it. It's not one for you to watch. This is on the no list for Jen, which I think was- is on a hard no list. Yeah, I do think that's a list that we should probably make on Letterboxd. Hard noes.
Yeah, would I watch this with my mom? And then I will make a list of the movies we have watched together, like, poor things, right? I watched that with you and that was normal. And like, we've watched some very inappropriate and very intense films together, but that is very different than a no movie, you know? You feel? Yeah. Jen, did you watch, Promising Young Women with us? Or Woman? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all watched it together and we all got so drunk because we were like, we had to keep getting drunker. We're like, we have...
Bo Burnham keeps showing up. had another shot, another shot. Yeah, I do feel like at one point we switched a hard liquor because it was just undoable. was that bad. Yeah. And I'm a Carey Mulligan fan, so I was really fun though. I'm still really, I still feel pretty betrayed by that one. I learned a new layer of information recently actually though about the Wuthering Heights movie. don't know if this is true. Come on. Put this in big fat quotation marks. I don't know if this is really true, but somebody said,
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that the reason it's Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi in the movie, even though that doesn't make any fucking sense for Wuthering Heights, is that what it's really about is a girl in high school reading Wuthering Heights for the first time. And then it's like we get cuts of what she's imagining it because it's like she watches Euphoria and she's a modern day teenager and she knows and Margot Robbie is breaking the fourth wall is Margot Robbie, but just is who she's picturing when she's reading the book.
or at least that's the angle of the film. See what I've heard, well, the reason they were cast mayhaps, this might overlap as well, I guess, but is the fact, the reason that Jacob Elordi was cast, and I feel like this is bullshit because it sounds so stupid, but I also can discredit it because it could just be so stupid. But the reason that he was cast was because,
He looked like the artwork that was on the first edition that Emerald Fennell had read of the book and she was like, I'm just gonna run with that. This could be true. It's one of those ones that I'm like, I definitely just saw it on Twitter and have no actual credibility to it. Big fat quotation marks around these pieces of news we're delivering to you. Yeah, no, I'd like to...
would like to think that most of our podcasts and just about every episode we put out has big fat quotation marks just around the whole thing because we really do spout some like bullshit. I know sometimes my friends in real life are like, Dara, I listened to the episode. You said a bunch of stuff that isn't true. And I'm like, oh shit, did I? Did I? Actively adding to the misinformation crisis. Oops. So Dara, speaking of a movie we saw recently, I was on the treadmill today.
at the gym and I did 3.0 miles per hour. That's actually my normal pace, right? Yup. Yup. And that makes you walk a mile in 20 minutes. Usually I do that as my warmup. And today I'm like, I'm going to do two miles. So I did two miles at 3.0 miles per hour. And that's as much as I could do. I would have not... walk. Yeah. I would have not lasted.
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to the starting line of that movie. Those boys walked supposedly for 10 straight days. Yeah, and shout out to all the actors in that movie, because they all said that filming it was fucking brutal, because they were like, we were actually just walking. It was miserable. That movie was really good, though. Jenna and I saw it together to contribute to Stephen King. I would say definitely watch it once it comes out onto streaming. I went in hesitant, because I saw a bunch of people on film Twitter being like,
uh, Cooper Hoffman and David Johnson are the next, uh, Pacino De Niro. Like they gotta be in every movie together. Like we gotta get somebody to just make more movies. And I'm like, really, really? We're using that kind of verbiage. And then I saw the movie and I was like, wait, so true. So I would, I'd I'd watch 50 more of these. So fucking good. Okay. However, have you guys seen about the bald begonia screening?
and would you have shaved your head for the bald begonia screen? I saw that some bald caps snuck. I saw some people snuck with bald caps and like not even good ones. I heard that some people were given bald caps because they couldn't finish shaving everyone's head on the carpet. Right, right. But again, I can't verify any sources.
Absolutely not. Henry is bald and he says it feels great and he encourages me to do it often. He's like, cause just having hair that sheds and then like I just have hair everywhere. You are a shedder. I'm a shedder and I have long thick hair. And he's always like, what about bald? Have we considered just getting rid of it? But no, I do not think I would go to the bald begonia screening, sadly. I think you could pull it off cause you have a beautiful face. thank you. Cause I got it from you.
Yeah, and your head doesn't just like me as it's gonna be fucked up under there. I just know I have a brother who looks exactly like me. I know exactly what I would look like with short hair. I just look at him. I know. I already know. And it's not desirable to me. Fair enough. Fair enough. To answer your earlier question, no theme, but I'm gonna do a short chocolate or vanilla and then a short game. New game. Show us how gentlemen try out new games. way.
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All sorts of new games now. right, hell yeah. of new games, okay. Okay, so chocolate or vanilla? Chocolate. Vanilla. Chocolate? Chocolate, vanilla, or strawberry? Chocolate. Ooh, I'm gonna go strawberry right now. I'm gonna go chocolate. Okay, an orange, a lemon, or a lime? A lime.
I knew you were gonna say that. No, that's really tough. Practically, a lemon. If it's like you can only have one, like if I can never use an orange or a lime again, then I'm picking a lemon. Because it's just, you need that shit for like risotto and stuff. Lime risotto, that sounds kind of wack to me. But just on a this or that basis, lime. Are we talking this or that? fuck, I guess we Answer the question however you feel.
Um, cause it's between lemon and lime. Yeah. Orange is not even to be considered. I'm sorry. does. Yeah. Lemon. I'm going to go lemon on this. think she is just, um, yeah, more versatile and I'm, I'm a big drinks girl. I like making a mocktail and stuff. I feel like lemon comes, I mean, they're both handy, but lemon is definitely a little, I don't know. I can throw around a little more. Yeah. I'm going to go lime. Even though I just had a lemon martini. was so good. A lemon drop.
Next one is main roads or back roads kind of main roads. I'm not a good driver So I shouldn't be like away from Where the rules are being enforced, you know? Mmm, I love you get that from me. I Love a back road if it's not gonna take two and a half hours To get me there. So I'll go back road
Yeah, I'm a firm believer I would rather drive than sit in traffic. Like, so I think a back road if it avoided traffic, if it was about the same time. but yes, as a rule, I go main roads. skip the back roads. Next one is I don't give an F by Dua Lipa or Puff the Magic Dragon by Peter, Paul and Mary.
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I could not, for the life of me, recall that Dua Lipa song, or really almost any Dua Lipa song, maybe other than the one from the Barbie movie for that matter. But I most certainly know Puff the Magic Dragon. So I will be riding with that. Yeah, I only can remember a few hits from that Dua Lipa album that came out right when COVID struck. And I feel like that's just a trauma bond thing. yeah, Puff does...
occupy a place in my mind as well. I'll go puff. The Dua Lipa song was my earworm today. That's why I put it on there. But I will go puff the magic dragon because that is a classic. Wait, do you want to hear a really cute piece of news? I saw her and her boyfriend, Callum Turner, who's an actor. But have I ever seen him in anything? I don't really know. But he's a British man that they met each other. And he saw that she was reading the same book as him. And he was like,
I'm reading that book right now. I just finished the first chapter." And she was like, no way, I just finished the first chapter. So they were on the same page of the same book and they had just met each other. Isn't that so cute? That's such like a story, but literally this is a fan fiction. Her whole life is a fan fiction. Apparently she runs a very good blog that like is book reviews and recommendations. bet she reads...
Dude, she probably reads- Lipa's got a really fire sub stack. I did not know about this. Yeah, she's probably on the SJP level of just ripping books. Because what else are you going to do laying on the beach all day? Real, she is always on vacation. That is so true. There, just looked him up and I was like, he does look familiar. Dunkirk? He was on the Boys in the Boat. I did not see that movie.
Apparently, he's in... to not participate in that phenomenon culturally. I just saw some really good reviews for that movie that he's in coming up with. God. Elizabeth Olsen and Miles Teller. Have you seen this? no. What's it about? Devine Joy Randolph as well. They're all dead. And basically...
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They get this like trial period and purgatory and you get to decide where you want to go and where you want to live in your afterlife or whatever. And Elizabeth Olsen has beautiful dead husband, Caleb Turner, who died like young and in the war. And so she never got to be with him. And then on the other hand, she has Miles Teller bumbling off, but she was with him for 60 years and she asked us figure out where she wants to spend eternity with. So. Interesting. I heard movie of the year.
but that's just what Twitter's feeding me. Interesting, when does this come out? Soon? I think it's, yeah, super soon if not already popping out. Tis the season. Tis the season. Yeah, this looks good. Release date, November, 2025. What is it called, Jen? Eternity. Interesting. We'll have to check it out. Vanilla cake with a layer of strawberry in the middle.
or vanilla cake with a layer of raspberry in the middle. Absolutely raspberry in the middle. Yeah, I think raspberry. Yeah. I think I'm choosing raspberry over strawberry like every time. jams as a fruit. There's no situation where I'm not having something strawberry where I'm like, this would be better if it were raspberry. Interesting. That's a hot take.
Yeah, I'm going to say there is a right answer and it's raspberry. But I wrote this one because a guy at work brought in this huge sheet cake because they did some kind of walk on Sunday and there was cake left over and it had a layer of strawberry in the middle. was so good. my God. But you were like, I lowkey wish this was raspberry because then it would be even better. would be better. Next one, which are you more excited to see, Hedda or Hamlet? Hamlet.
Hedda? What's Hedda? Hedda Gabler! They're doing a movie about Hedda Gabler. Thompson! What?! You love, yeah, Tessa Thompson. You love I just saw this for the first time today. Damn. Well then I have to say that one. In this moment, I'm way more excited for that. I am excited to see Hemnet though, as that is also getting glowing.
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glowing reviews. I am riding the Jesse Buckley Oster train into the ground. Yeah, I'm going to go hamnet on this one because it does look beautiful and it does look like it's going to make me bawl my eyes out. Yeah, I think we should see both of these before the noms come out. Feel some actress situations going on. But I will say I will say Heather, because I just watched the trailer and it looks really I have to watch the trailer. Next one.
is, Tessa Thompson's gorgeous. well, yes. The next one is a jazz cover of a current song or a classical cover of a current song. A jazz cover can go very cringe very fast, depending on the take, I guess, or even the source material. But I'm going to say just putting something to some orchestral strings, never, never unwelcome.
For me, I love a violin version of a pop song. That was like my whole YouTube feed in 2012 was like people playing electric violins like out in a field. Imagine Dragon songs for some reason. Anyways. I don't know. Like, it's tough because I feel like funk used to fall in with jazz when you are in jazz band. But I can't in good faith put funk into that category because there's so many good funk covers.
But I think when a jazz cover works, it does really work. And I think it's not that hard to throw a violin over a Taylor Swift song. So I think I'll go jazz. Yeah, I'm gonna go jazz too because I did a jazz cover mix the other day at work. It was really good. Nice. All right. So that was it for Chocolate or Vanilla. Now we have our new game. Okay. game. New game.
There's six questions and it starts and ends with Henry Thomas from this movie. So it's going to be six degrees of Henry Thomas. Okay. Okay. So here's the rules. I'm going to say two actors. have to say what movie they were in together. You both only get one answer and whoever calls it first gets the point. God. Okay. Who was Henry Thomas in this? my God. He was the creepy dad.
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No, he was definitely in this movie because I looked it up. Wait, I don't know who that is. The kid from ET. Oh, shit. Henry Thomas and Drew Barrymore. ET. Yeah, Em gets it. She said it first. Drew Barrymore and Elliot Page. All right. 51st date. What was that? What? is this?
Whip It, the roller blade movie. I should have seen that. That's like sacrilegious that I haven't. Next one, Elliot Page and Michael Cera. Duno. Who got it first, you think? I'll give it to Zara. You guys both said it at the same time. Michael Cera and Jonah Hill. Super bad. Emily, point for M.
Jonah Hill and Brad Pitt. Moneyball. good job, Last one. Brad Pitt and Henry Thomas.
It's Neat Joe Black. Good guess. You're out. Legends of the Fall. I'm literally, I'm looking at an IMDB though. I'm cheating big time. I had to Google who this even was. I'm sorry. I am not on a first name basis with Elliot from ET. It's really, that's all that man is to me. got three points, Darragh got one point. Emily wins the first installment of Six Degrees.
Hell yeah. Thank you. you. Reigning champ. I'll hand it over to you. This is cause it, well, this is, I will say that I do do my reps of this basically every morning cause I play the movie grid game. I need to start playing the movie grid. You're going to be pulling this shit on me Jen. Yeah. You got to get up on it. Link in the description below. you do the pyramid too? Play movie grid. Very fun. I do movie pyramid too. Yup.
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Jen, thank you for being here. like the snake one though. Yeah. sorry. And thank you for providing me. And thank you for providing a new game. Yeah, this is great. We appreciate you, and we'll see you next week. I love you guys. Have an awesome night. Love you. Bye. Bye, Jen. Bye.
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My lore with this movie is that 2017 is when this movie came out. That's also the year that we graduated high school and started college. The college that I attended did not have dorms, so you had to just get an apartment nearby if you wanted to live near the campus. there was an apartment complex.
fairly close by that a lot of students lived at. So you could join like a Facebook group of like, hey, gonna live at this complex who wants to try to be roommates, because obviously who can fucking afford their own shit when you're- Impossible. 18. And so I found some roommates on Facebook, which was not a really great idea, but they were actually kind of okay, but it was, know, not, wouldn't, I wouldn't shout it out necessarily. Not ideal, not the ideal situation. ideal. And one of them,
showed me some really weird movies, including Tusk, which if you know, know, but it was sort of like, you're like, oh, it's like, oh, we're going to do that thing where you like meet new people and you're like, yeah, I'm going to show you the most fucked up shit. Yeah. I'm like, OK, I kind of got over doing that in middle school on the bus with like YouTube videos, you know, they were like, haha. And you sort of get my system in a normal age. Oh, this is someone being beheaded. It's seven thirty in the morning. Whoa, gotcha.
is kind of what this movie felt like to me. Because it was like, oh, we have to watch it. She had seen this before. And she was like, you have to see this movie. It is amazing. And this was also in a salute of, she made me watch all of those horror movies that are about your senses getting taken away. Oh my god. Like Bird Box. Also, the Mike Flanagan, the girl who plays the woman,
who plays the mom in this movie in the flashbacks, who's also in all the Haunting of Hill House shows. She plays the younger sister who wears the gloves, for those who know. She was in this movie, what is it called, Hush? Where she's deaf, but she's also getting hunted in a house, very similar to Gerald's Game. Very specific vibe of movie that this roommate was showing me a lot at this time. Interesting. In the year 2017 slash 18. Yeah. Is where I'm at with Gerald's Game. Yeah.
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a good amount of Mike Flanagan, even though I haven't seen fucking Hill House or Blind Manor. But what have you seen? A fall of the house of Usher? I that one. I watched Black Mass is fantastic. Did you notice little? OK, I think that kind of pissed me off about this movie. They were they were doing a little too many heavy handed Easter eggs for me. Did you see he like throws a book at one point at the dog? Yeah.
when the dog is coming in. yeah, it was like the haunting house or something. I thought it was Black Mass. No, think it was something that definitely seemed referential. know what you're talking about. They also the dog Kujo. They just do a bunch of fourth wall breaks. Stephen King shouts out in this, which I know Flike Manigan, my God, Mike Flanagan, is a Stephen King fanboy and Mike wants to be
the most faithful Stephen King adapter. Like that's his whole fucking mission or whatever. Apparently he's doing Carrie. He's always doing another Stephen King thing. Did you know that there's an It show on HBO right now? I didn't even know about this. And Bill Skarsgard is still Pennywise. It's in a TV show now though. That sounds roughly familiar. That's crazy. I don't know anything about it, but No, I haven't heard that.
But no, I haven't watched Hush. I watched, what was it? I liked Dr. Sleep, I will say. I was rather a fan of it. Throw, my God, what's her name? Rebecca Ferguson in a up Big hat. Big hat. Let her go crazy. It was awesome. But I watched one of his really early ones, Absentia. It was not good.
But you know, was like, what was that about? It's like this girl's husband has been missing for years and she's under pressure to like finally declare him dead. But she's reluctant and then like weird shit happens and then he comes back and it's yeah, there's like an ominous tunnel near the house. It's a whole thing. It's very it's very independent. But that one, I don't know.
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But obviously, you know, I think this was 2017, Dr. Sleep was 2019, Hill House was 2018. So I think this was really at the crux of like, oh, he's gotten good. Because there were things about this movie, obviously that fucking sucked ass. But I think generally all the beats of it and the technical stuff was solid. I think the story was fine. I think he just really fucking lost it at the end. I just thought that this movie looked like a Netflix movie through and through. Like that the lighting.
was giving like normie ass sitcom. And I was just like, tonally, this is not vibing for me. Like it's giving really sterile, like sterile and front lit and everything is like really like crisp. I don't know. I was not loving just the way this movie looked in general. I thought the acting was fine, but I did think the writing was kind of ass where I was like, damn, I was like, I don't know if that was you or.
like the way you said that, or if it was just like the words that were just not doing it for me. Maybe, I don't know. I would say, I would guess that it's the writing. I thought both actors were solid. I think that Carla, I can't think of her last name, can be a little one note sometimes. Especially I think her alter ego in this one was very much giving me like the follow the house of Usher moment, but I don't know, I liked it.
I found both performances entertaining to say at least. It certainly could have been so much worse when you consider, like considering that the writing was also kind of bad. kind of bad. was really rough. Yeah. Yeah. But a Netflix original in 2017 was, that was when it was really starting to hit the ground running of like,
of the streaming era is here to stay and that streaming produced content is refusing to be not taken seriously, basically. And the money also, I feel like shifted at that point, right? Where was like more people had Netflix than had cable. Interesting times. Also, to give me a chart of the Netflix originals and who
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quality over time. I also like the number because truly 2017 to like 2022 I feel like is probably the big chunk that it was at least decent. I just feel like back in the day, we all watched the same shows and everyone watched Orange is the New Black and you knew at lunch that you could ask your friends what they thought.
of the new season because everyone watched it. I just can't imagine. Now I try to talk to my coworkers about TV and we're just naming different things back and forth at each other until we find one and it takes forever because there's just too much. TV ping pong. There's just too much now. Yeah, it's Just make a few shows and make them good so that everyone can watch them. That should be the rule. Hey, that's what HBO has stuck to at least. I'll give them that.
I guess. Have we talked about the Night of the Seven Kingdoms show trailer on here yet? you seen is there a trailer? I haven't seen the trailer. I'm so excited. I will send it to you. I've been really getting into watching my lore YouTube videos again. That's fun.
Like am I gonna read Game of Thrones? I don't know. There's the really good series that it was done a long time ago, but like pretty early seasons. It's all voiced by the actors and everything like that. And it's just sections, like it's all just Game of Thrones lore and it's all animated. It's awesome. Ooh, I should check that out. Yeah. Yeah, it's Dunkin' Egg, if you're familiar. Yes. I don't know the story, but I know the general premise. the Tall.
He's like a knight and then it's Egg who's egg on Targaryen and he has like his little bald squire and it's like very much a Shrek and donkey situation of them just like going town to town and learning lessons and stuff. I'm super psyched about it. Speaking of writing, it also looks very like Happy Cherry Frontlet, which is very opposite of Game of Thrones because I feel like they took that note, you know, very seriously the last time where everyone was like, we can't see the show. So I'm...
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Very thrilled about that. Yeah, I was gonna say, do we have a release date? I don't know, the trailer came out like, I don't know, maybe two weeks ago. So I don't know when the show will be. Oh, January of 2026. So says my that's soon as well. Okay. Yeah. And then when is House of the Dragon getting another season? Not sure yet. They're still filming from what I know. So it's gonna be at least another year. It's gonna be a while. Yeah. Damn. I'm really sitting on my hands with that one because I love that show.
I'm so pro insane, and Raniera Urie. Let's go, it makes no sense. It makes no sense, let's make it happen. I want my fan fiction dreams to come true for once, okay? On the big screen with a pijillion dollar budget. And you know what? We deserve it. And we deserve it. And dragons, sick looking dragons. The dragons have been so sick.
After what they did to the, exactly, after what they did to the original franchise, let me be crazy. Give me that, give me that shit. Make it gay as I'm apologist, I love it. I'm so bought in though. The dragons are great, I'm excited. I'm nervous to see what they do with the sheep stealer. What else in pop culture? Oh, Janelle Monae can travel back in time, have you heard? I believe it, I believe it, I believe every second of it. That's like, sometimes when I'm speaking, someone will be like, well.
specifically my friend Rachel, will be like, Dara, did that actually happen to you or is that just something you thought about? Because so real, like so real, it could just be like I just thought so hard about it that I remember it as if it had happened to me. And I do feel like I relate to Janelle in that sense that it's like I have astral projected there so many times that I basically can recall it as if it's a real memory. mean, yeah.
You especially, feel like you've talked enough about being able to play movies in your brain. And I feel like that could, if you like got amnesia or something like that, or got like CTE or something like that, I think your memories would be scrambled with like Brokeback Mountain or something. Dude, I've been trying to hit my head more often. Having CTE seems kind of dope.
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Everyone who's doing well has CT. You see Travis Kelce is investing in Six Flags to read my God, yeah, he's going to revi- Wait, why did they try to frame it like a charity though? It's like he's teaming up with the organization who's trying to revive Six Flags, like yeah, through investment. what are you- Why are we talking about like a- It's a make a wish situation. it. I love it. This shit's insane.
Henry was literally just saying that more billionaires need to be using their funds for theme parks. I mean, hey, he's not, mean, there we go. There we go. quite, it's giving, it's sinister to me. It is. Wait, but speaking of movies that you can play in your head, I just want to, before we get into our regularly scheduled programming, want to ask what you think about the National Treasure-esque heist that happened at the Louvre.
The Louvre. Yeah, I am so, so happy that we are still in a time where there's a classic jewel heist. I'm gripped. I cannot wait. I don't think they're ever coming back. They're gone. I don't know what their motive was. From what I read very briefly online, it seems like their motive was just that they're jewels. So like expensive, you know, it didn't seem to be targeted of like a specific like era or anything. It was just like, what are them?
the most pricey jewels. But I would love to see like an Ocean's 11 all-girl reboot type Ask movie about not a jewel heist, but just an art heist in general. Literally pick any origin country from shit that got stolen. Like literally just fucking roll a dice, spin a globe. And it's like a team, you know, and we're gonna reclaim the art. Because that should be legal. That's a thing.
What movie? I believe it. Oh, you said it's coming out. Michael B. Jordan is in it. You've told me about this because I always talk about this. Are you talking about a movie? Because that was a thing that actually happened. I actually just heard about this for the first time is that I believe it was written in France or something like that that had art that and I don't know when this was. I think it was a long time ago. Not in this century of it for sure. But Britain and
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Britain or France or something like that, had pieces of art that were Chinese and they refused to give it back like much of the British museums do. And so they just hired professional guys to go and get it. And they did. When was this? I don't know exactly. I'll have to look into it and we can link an article or something. I love iGoogle, art stolen back for cultural reclamation. First Wikipedia article, reparation.
Parentheses cultural property second Wikipedia article looted art. We're doing we're doing the research. Okay, do museums Have the obligation to return stolen or plundered items. I think yes Absolutely, absolutely. I Mean look at the bed and bronzes. That's the thing that's going on right now Tons of places have returned the bed and bronzes
Cause they should all be together. That's the whole thing, right? Cause they should be back in Nigeria, but yes. Well, yes. Yeah. Oh my God. I always think of that one Greek statue. That's in, I don't know if it's one or all of them, but I think it's one that's in the British museum and all of her sisters. And it's like the seven Greek sisters or whatever, or some shit like that. I don't know. I'm talking out of my ass, but you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. It's just the one. Um.
But yeah, I love the Louvre getting robbed. That's so classy. Expertly done too. They did it. No one was hurt. Awesome. Fuck yeah Didn't they do it in the daytime too? In the middle of the day. It was so smart. was 30 minutes after the museum opened. They came up, scaled the ladder, cut their way in, and then just started stealing shit. Seven minutes gone on motorcycles.
Yeah, impressive. Nicolas Cage should be impressed. And there will be a film adaptation of it. I would to think. you can just watch again, the Girlboss reboot of Ocean's whatever with Rihanna in it. That's why I went and saw it and she was worth it. I put up with Awkwafina for Rihanna. I think that's that's that's one that equals out, I think. That's right. Unrelated.
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unrelated, but Miley Cyrus is gonna do the Oscar bait original song for the new Avatar film. I've been seeing all the official like bids of what the studios are putting forth to be considered. it's like, you know, what songs from Sinners? Because it's like, you know, they can only pick so many. I think I think Sinners is going to take it. there is like low key a chance that Kpop Demon Hunters really does something. That's true. If Sinners doesn't, I think that'll be
So the conversation is, you know, it's bubbling up. But it was like, and also the Miley Cyrus song from the Avatar fire in Ashville. I was like, what? That is the last person I would have assigned to that movie. She said it was because she was personally affected by wildfires. Her home burnt down. That's true. She wanted to do a song for James Cameron. I think that's beautiful. That's valid. That's valid. I'm sorry for my criticism, Miley.
And I wish Miley Cyrus was in the lineup of people we're about to pick from to play Fuck, Mary, Kill because no. Honestly, feels inappropriate to do for this movie. Not to say that survivors of sexual assault cannot have sexual agency because Jess can still, she can get it. But honestly, I just want to give her time to heal. It seems pretty recent, you know? Yeah. I am going to go ahead and say that Karla is a badass bitch. my God. Yeah, real.
would. Smash. Smash. Unfortunately, both of these main characters, as heinous as this story is, are very pine. So hot. And that's all I have to bring to the table today. But of course I have to kill... But if it's between killing Gerald and killing her dad, we have to kill her dad because he's objectively worse, even though they're both her abusers in a sense. Yeah. I also don't think she would ever have gotten into the situation with Gerald. That's sort of the whole thing. Had it not been. Yeah. Can we just kill her dad?
Yeah, I think so. Long in the past, hopefully. If we can travel through time much like Janelle Monae, I will travel back and kill him at a time in which minimizes the abuse. who else? Who else in this film? mean, like we don't even see the people who save her really. There's a of people in the courthouse. There's the moonlight man. Sure. With his bag of bones. Yeah, I'm good on that. I'm good on that.
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And so you're going to host, you're going to show your roommates, your college roommates for the very first semester of college. She's like, you just left home for the first time and you're like, yo, we have got to watch Gerald's game. Let's put on Gerald's game with our jailbroken fire stick. That was a really dope thing we had in our apartment. You could get all the Netflix for free. What are you going to serve?
Okay. guests. Cause mine's really gross, but I think you gotta do finger foods. Nice. Okay. I also went a very similar route. Do you have any specific finger foods in mind though? Well, that's just the theme, but I think anything that's giving crispy skin for sure. We're going to want like mozzarella sticks, maybe a chicken wing.
Yeah, definitely a chicken wing to like simulate the breaking of bones. Maybe just a very involved chicken wing too. But maybe like a little baked potato skin. That could be nice. A jalapeno popper. Who's to Can't go wrong with that. Yeah. And then what would I serve as a drink? Probably you should just like rip shots of Tito's clear. Yeah. I went a similar route.
but I, unfortunately I don't think that this is very doable at home unless you have the specific mechanism for it. So I think you and your girls go out for Korean barbecue beforehand. my God, I just went out. a personal story corner. Sure. Have you ever been to the MGM at Fenway Music Venue? Sure, Yes. We had seats that were like, obviously nosebleed back row seats, but like,
when the show was happening and everyone stood up like legit could not see and there were TVs. There were TVs everywhere that had the openers. So we knew that there was a live feed going of the opener. And then as soon as the main person on, they cut the live feed and we couldn't see the stage and we couldn't see the screens. And so we were just like, what the hell? And we couldn't see anything. What show was this? For Dochi. We and saw Dochi. Well, we hardly saw Dochi. We hardly saw her. That's crazy. They cut.
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fucking bro. Yeah, we kept asking. We kept asking the people were like, are they going to turn those on? And they kept being like, yeah, we'll look into it. And I'm like, can you just tell me the truth? The truth is that they're not turning on. Why are you lying to me? I'm like, what? I'm like, see that they're not on. like, what is so strange? Such a strange experience. But we Japanese barbecue before and it was nice because
My friend Gavin, will who's been on the pod for the sinners episode We love Gavin and I know he will go and like be the admin who does the meat cooking So I just get to sit there and be passenger princess and get fed nice time because I do not want to be involved in the cooking process Fair enough. That's that's my hang up about hot pot or Korean barbecue any of it I don't but if I'm with the people will do it for me love love it
Yeah, knowing you and your track record with food poisoning, that does not sound like something I want to put you in charge of. Thank you. Many would say the same. I think this is you taking care of your community by saying that you're good on that. By taking a back seat at the Korean barbecue. Exactly. Exactly. Would love to have Gavin there for when I take everyone out before Gerald's game.
And we just slap. Sizzling meats. Sizzling meats. Sorry, that's all I could think of considering. I mean, there's no really food in this one. It's all just meat based, know? Ripping it off. Ugh, yeah, so flappy. Yeah, but I think you get like a chocolate cake on the way home and whoever is gonna watch this movie with you, you each get a bottle of wine to yourself because you're gonna watch this movie and then...
knowing girls, you're probably gonna unpack some trauma afterwards and that's okay. But you're gonna wanna be blasted and only remember about half of what you said, so. Yeah, well that's when I was shown this. I was like, is this supposed to be some sort of foiree to us all just like really revealing something about ourselves? Cause I don't know if I'm ready. tonight? I was like, I don't know if I'm ready for that with you guys. schedule, are we trauma bonding? Are we? Oh, we're watching Gerald's game. then followed up by Tusk.
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When she skins herself, she's really preparing herself to be put into the walrus carcass Yeah, real. What animal do you think she would turn into? What could we what would what would Gerald want her to be probably something like really subservient like a like a house cat like a box Yeah, weird furry thing. Yeah. Yeah, fucking freak anyways
Don't kink shame, because that's what this movie is really all about, is that they should have just practiced some more healthy exploration into the BDSM and kink world. really, Gerald should have just read a few Reddit threads. That's all you really need. Not real in 1992 or whenever this was written, but certainly was real in 2017. And he had an iPhone. He had an iPhone.
Okay, once you're done trauma bonding with your girls, you're blasted. What are you putting on afterwards? Gone Girl. Fuck off. And we're sending it back. Yeah, fair enough. Because to me, to me, that's a movie. This is a movie about, you know, like an unhappy marriage, right? And it's like, there's certain part about like revealing the true self. And it's like that he has this
this fantasy and it's like what are the deepest darkest parts of your spouse that you don't think you'll ever know or whatever. I'm just like, what a boring way to explore that theme. What's a cool movie that did that? Gone Girl. That's real. That's real. I also sort of went diagonally here. I think you watched that new Dave Franco, Alison Bray movie together.
yeah, you saw that. You said it was OK, right? It was fun. It was fun in a creepy way. was still obviously a quote unquote horror movie. Don't drink the water that makes you non-binary. However, it's like a creepy cabin in the woods movie. You know, these two are faced with consequences of their actions and need to decide whether or not to rise or to succumb. know, they I can't say that they
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come out on top the same way that, what's her name? Jessie does? Jess, yeah. But they come out somewhere, that's for sure. It's Isn't that that they like their skin melts together, right? Yeah, so spoiler alert for anyone that hasn't seen together, just wants to know how it ends. Basically, they become one person.
And that's how non-binary people are made. my God, that's, what'd you say? Don't drink the water that makes you non-binary? Yeah, it's, my God, it's so funny. It's like, it's- All non-binary people used to be two people who got fused together. just like, like there's a scene in this where like- That's so ridiculous. know, two gay men and it's just a man, but like at the end of this movie, they basically fuse together and they just have the most androgynous lesbian walk out at the end and then it's like cut to black.
It's ridiculous, it's awesome. wild. Maybe now I'll have to give it a watch. It's got some fun to it, I will say. It's a good B sort of horror movie. It's a bit of an Night Shyamalan twist. Yeah, something like that. And what are you gonna rate this movie out of 10? I'm gonna give it a three. I'm gonna give it a five. I don't think it was necessarily bad. I think it was...
I think it could have been done a lot better, but I think I was pretty, I was there, I watched it and it held my attention better. I was there. I there. I watched it. was there. Glow and review. You know, it kept me off my phone the way that some movies don't. And also I have to give it credit because it did make me vomit in my mouth and that's the first time that's happened watching a movie.
Yeah, yeah. I got it, you know, I think it did what it was trying to do. Would I say that I liked it? Probably not. Am I ever going to rewatch it? Probably not. But I think it was a pretty I mean, I mean, as far as, you know, adaptations go, it seems pretty solid. I was thinking if anyone, if any listeners want to advocate for this, I literally was thinking that at a certain point.
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we're going to be so embarrassed of the shit we used to say that we should just start over and redo all the episodes. just literally just run it back. Cause then by the time we get back to where we are, will be different. All of them will be different. So maybe we'll talk about Gerald's Game in 50 years when I make us run it back. When I make us do the loop.
But thank you all for listening. If you have any suggestions for themes or chocolate or vanilla stuff for Jen or just movies that you think we would be into, or if you just want to talk about pop culture stuff, you can DM us wherever we can be found or send us an email or, you know, reach out. However, however feels appropriate to you. This episode is all about consent. So we consent to receiving your suggestions if you have them.
Um, Emily, let's end the episode with what's a movie that's coming out that you're excited to see. I'm really pumped about Frankenstein. I was just about to say, I'm probably going to see Frankenstein, um, tomorrow or something like that, but I am really excited for, I know I talked about begonia earlier, but Die My Love is coming out, I think like super, super soon. And I cannot wait to see the freak off between Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson.
yeah, I've seen the press tour for that. Yeah, they're being so hot together. Of them being like, how did we meet? it's so like, they're being so irreverent. No, I do, I know what you're talking about. I do need to watch that clip. No, have you seen the clip that they released from the movie of them like fighting?
I've only seen it muted with people being like, she's overacting and then other people being like, you've never lived in an abusive household if you think that this isn't how people behave. was the discourse I was getting about it, but I actually never watched the clip because I was like, I'm going to be annoyed by this. So I didn't watch it. I'll go watch the Night of the Seven Kingdoms and you go watch that clip.
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All right, deal. Deal.