Moonrise Kingdom

Packing our camping gear and hiking out to Moonrise Kingdom this week to kick off our August 'Camp' theme, thanks to listener Brooke for suggesting! Friend of the pod Matt Bacon joins us for chocolate or vanilla, and we get very off topic about Garbage Plates, Solar Eclipses, and The Boy Scouts of America. 

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Moonbeam ice cream, how does it go? Moonbeam ice cream, creaming in your blue jeans. Moonrise kingdom, Wes Anderson is quirky. Which is funny because I would say this feels like...

Probably one of his least quirked up movies, but this is also one of the, not least quirked up, it feels stylistically like, I don't know, totally it's different for me. All that- Really? That's as much as, I mean like it's different, but it's not, it's still Wes Anderson, but it's just, I think it's the linearness of it actually. That might be what's throwing me.

Yeah, like the story itself is a little- Well, there's maybe one or two time jumps and that's it as opposed to the typical 16. Right, but I feel like stylistically this to me is the movie that locked in the Wes Anderson like online aesthetic. my king. Like the brand of it all. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's just the timing of it all for me. this before or after Grand Budapest? Before, right?

This was before. This movie came out in 2012. Grand Budapest came out in 2014. Yes, yes, this makes sense. This movie, notably, if you would like to know what podcast you're listening to, it's called The Swamp and it's an acronym. Starris from Wack-Ass Movie Podcasting. My name is Starris. I'm here with my lovely co-host, Emily. Hello. And this month we will be taking our theme straight from top S tier listener of the pod, Brooke Drew.

who wrote in and gave us this wonderful theme idea along with several movie suggestions to accompany it. So thank you, Brooke. We will be doing Camp Month. It is August, it is the end of the summer, and we're going to camp, bitch. So it's all movies about summer camps having to do with camp, camping, camp, maybe we'll get campy, who's to say. But we wanted to start it off with, we've covered a lot of Wes Anderson movies on this podcast in the past. We've done,

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Fantastic Wister Fox. And Grand Budapest. We did a bonus episode over on our Patreon about Asteroid City. And I think maybe that's it. I feel like we Yeah. Interesting. So just three. But if you want a little timeline, because I was sort of interested in like where this movie fit into the Wes Anderson canon. So basically his first movie with Owen Wilson was Bottle Rocket, right? In 1996. one?

Nope. Yeah, I tried to and then I got maybe 30 minutes and said, I'm all right. Similarly, he had a movie called Rushmore that came out after it. I also have not seen that one. But then we sort of kick it off with the Royal Tenenbaums. I think that's the first one that was like a bigger budget and had very much A-list actors in it. And that was 2001. So the Royal Tenenbaums comes out in 2001. Then he follows it with the Life Aquatic in 2004. I have not seen that one either. Have you?

Me neither. No. I'm interested to watch it. That would probably be like top of my list as far as his movies that I haven't seen. Mine's probably Isle of Dogs because I really haven't. I have seen that one and I have kind of mixed feelings about it as far as Wes Anderson like using other countries as backdrops to his projects, but not like...

but just treating them as set dressing almost. I don't know. He does do it with a certain level of care, but then there's just this other side to it that just feels a little off. Okay. I don't know. But in that same vein, then after the Life of Quaddok, he comes out with the Darjeeling Libidant in 2007, which is a movie about three white brothers on a train in India and how that affects them. yeah, a little. Yep. But then.

We really pop off in 2009 with the Fantastic Mr. Fox and then we follow it up here with Moonrise Kingdom. And Moonrise Kingdom is Wes Anderson's first big financial success. Fantastic Mr. Fox was actually a huge box office flop. Really? Is that just because of how much it took to make it or because no one came out and saw it? Like both. A little bit. Okay. But so Moonrise Kingdom...

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makes back its budget and then some and more and actually is like a big box office success given the scope of the project. think the budget was actually fairly small. I think it's only like 15 million. Yeah, that sounds about right. Not a lot. And considering how many really famous A-listers are in this I'm sure a big chunk of that was payroll alone for those names. Except I think actually Ed Norton made a joke once that he was like, you don't get paid.

to make a Wes Anderson movie. Like you show up because it's a fun set with your friends, but like you're not getting paid for that shit. Like. Which fair enough, honestly. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think actors should be doing movies that they feel strongly and passionate about, not just for the page. course. And I love Wes Anderson. Wes Anderson has his little cohort of like his, you know, his first responders. His first responders. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I feel like

The chance to go hang out with Wes and his first responders on a movie set, yeah, you should do that shit for free. you take that opportunity. then, so then after Moonrise Kingdom, then we get Grand Budapest. we're really soaring into tons of Oscar nominations, a lot of public recognition, and sort of that categorization now of the Wes Anderson aesthetic. I think it gets really solidified with the Grand Budapest Hotel, but I would say it is this movie, Moonrise Kingdom.

that really like, I don't know, it was an accessible, easy to understand like playbook basically for what his visual style was. The symmetry, the lighting, the costumes, the camera angles and the sharp movements, just all of it. feel like I remember seeing GIF sets. Yeah, feel like I remember seeing, and I can't speak too much on it.

having not seen, having seen all his previous works. But I think this is the one that got audiences to understand that this filmmaking style is intentional. it's like Wes Anderson himself is like a character. It's like, you're thinking about how the movie was made while you're watching the movie. And that is just gonna be, that's just something we're gonna have to settle on now because that's the whole fucking deal of all of his movies is that you're like, wow, this is.

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somebody meticulously planned this and I can tell because it's otherworldly, right? Everything is so perfect that it almost feels like fantastical. I feel like the thing about it for me that like I was saying earlier that like at least made it feel like not West End or city is like that. And maybe this is just because I'm the last thing I saw of his was the Phoenician scheme, which just came out like two months ago or something like that. And I feel like with his stuff,

I usually feel like I have to work for it a little bit, and especially on that first watch, which I'd seen this movie before, but I saw it really long ago, like probably when I was first starting to get into watching movies. So I didn't have a great recognition of it, or memory of it. Yeah, it's such an easy movie to watch. It's so simple. It's so, it's perfectly done. Very much a comfort film. This was also one that I think I first watched, I'd seen.

a lot of like gift sets on Tumblr of the aesthetics and sort of familiarizing myself with like the Wes Anderson aesthetic through like Pinterest and Tumblr and social media like far before I had ever even seen the movie. then I definitely, know, 123movies.com, watch it on my phone in my bedroom when I was probably, you know, in 10th or 11th grade or something like that. And then it just became this movie that I always revisited to when I was like,

violently upset. Because I knew it would like, like really calm me down. because at the end of the day, it's just it's yeah, like not just a comfort movie, but like break glass if needed. And like a copy of Moonrise Kingdom is behind the glass sort of situation. Absolutely. Well, that I feel like that makes sense. Like you do see remind me of

God, what's her character? What's her Miss Susie. Susie. You definitely give me Susie vibes now and looking back at who you were as like a 13 year old. that's Susie, baby. Yeah, quite relatable, very like melodramatic teen girl energy, which I could very much relate to. And especially God, I would just love to have Frances McDormand as my mother from this movie. Right, I'm like, why is Susie so perturbed by this

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affair with Bruce Willis. Like if anything, Susie, you need to be looking at your dad, Bill Murray and be like, with a critical eye. She should be. If it's a Bruce Willis versus Bill Murray situation, Susie, as a teen girl, I need you to open your eyes and get fucking real with me for a She's just in that stage of being a contrarian. And that's what it is. That's what it all really boils down to. you're a child and, you know, when you're child, everything revolves around you.

and your parents splitting up as the end of the world, whether it's for the better or not. Exactly, of course. Moonrise Kingdom, 2012. Grand Budapest Hotel, 2014. Then we got Isle of Dogs, 2018. The French Dispatch in 2021. Then Asteroid City, 2023. And then notably, I've been skipping over all of the short films and other things in between, but I will.

note the wonderful story of Henry Sugar 2023 because that was Wes Anderson's first Oscar win. is crazy. Kind of wild. just feels like he's not gonna ever get one for a picture and he's just gonna end up getting an honorary Oscar which is gonna be just so disappointing. Yeah, I mean the whole like awards system is so stupid and broken at this point. Sometimes I'm like why?

do I even bother to follow it or care? But then I just, I want to be mad. I love to get mad. love to be mad. But I like to see people that deserve their flowers get their flowers. Yeah, that too. And I think for every- else would we have to talk about on this podcast if we didn't? Real, but for every 10 terrible disappointments, I find that there's one beacon of hope. For every 10, like, ew, the Oscars did that.

You you get like an everything everywhere year where they just and you're like, I have hope. Like, wait, there's hope. The masses can all agree that this is a good piece of art. Like, I love to see that happen. Well, now that everyone's required to watch all of the movies this year, I'm really interested to see how things maybe shift. A quiz? What are we going to quiz them? What do you? How do they know that? That's not different. They just like, oh, we heard, you know, some

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People said the wrong things in some interviews and gave everyone the idea that no one watches the movies because it's true. So we'll just say you have to watch them now. Like they can't, they're not going into anyone's home and being like, did you open those screeners? Like, no. I don't know. There's, mean, obviously there's a way that they can track them, which you like, the way that.

film gets sent around, it's like all through like these, whatever a DCP is and shit like that. So it can track you with the data, like have you opened it and have you played through all of it. So I would be interested. Obviously that's me guessing as to how they do it. I don't know exactly, but I know from like a showing films and movies perspective, that's sort of how it goes. yeah, we'll have to see. I would love to see a good shift, but you know.

like, uh, inducting, like, more young filmmakers into the academy and letting a younger demographic vote rather than just, all these old men who just vote for each other because it's of their best financial interest. then the Phoenician scheme came out in 2025. So that's his basically his whole discography. And I would say that this is what I would have considered to be my favorite Wes Anderson.

For a large chunk of my life, I think as I've grown and aged, I think I have a bit more appreciation for some of his other movies now. Just cause- who takes the cake for you? Like honestly, I would put Fantastic Mr. Fox above this movie. I would probably put even maybe even I liked the Phoenician scheme a whole lot. Okay. I also I liked Asteroid City a lot too. Yeah. Dispatch maybe not.

not above it. not for me. Maybe even, might say Grand Budapest Hotel is better than this one too. I think it maybe has floated down to more like the upper middle of the pack, but. Sure, I would say Asteroid City is definitely my top if I had to pick. That one grew on me. That one, I did not get it, I didn't get it at first, but upon my second and third watch, I was like, yeah, this is for me.

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But this this movie I will say a lot of the criticism about like Wes Anderson almost being like a parody of himself at this point, right? Like it's doing things in your own style Sure, but it's a style that everyone recognizes as being distinctly yours. You know what? I mean like yours sort of like a like a feedback loop on itself But I think you have to go because I think he just get is getting

better budgets, better opportunities, and he's just doing the same things, but just on bigger scales. And I don't want to see it stop. I'm like, I'm not tired of it. Who are you? saying you're tired of it? You're tired of watching a beautiful movie? Then literally exactly. I think it's funny though, if you are taking it from sort of that feedback loop perspective, is that it's going to get so

referential to itself and everything that eventually it's gonna go back to being ground zero and so good and you know, not that it's not, but do you know what I mean? Like eventually we're gonna come full circle. Well, it also isn't broken. It's not like, exactly. Oh, oh, all of his movies look the same. Yeah, because they look beautiful. Like, yeah, because that's his style. That's, know, you're not gonna tell Picasso to paint differently. Thank you. Well, I'm not telling Picasso anything. He's dead. He's dead.

But what was I gonna say? This one I do think out of a lot of his newer movies, and I think especially putting this up against the Venetian scheme as well, this one does feel like it has a lot more heart in my opinion. I think especially the kids and the leads. lot more sincere. Yes, well yes, it's so sincere. Yes. Which I think is when you can crack into that with one of his movies, that's when I...

feel like I enjoy it the most. I would say Asteroid City also falls into that bucket for sure. For sure. like the French Dispatch, I could not give less of a shit. That was more almost like, well, because it was like an anthology, was like a series of short stories together. sure. that movie does feel a little different to me. But I agree as far as like the earnestness, because everything is visually so like stacked and organized and linear. then the way. Yeah.

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the script is and the way these characters are speaking to each other is like very crisp and very like everyone is saying very poignant pointed things in a short amount of time. It's very quippy and fast and sometimes like a little nonsensical but you we're not we're using very like sharp language I feel so to have this like really artificial

environment and then like a really artificial way of speaking to to then find something like really human and heartwarming and moving inside all of that is even more impressive because it's like we had to get through all these fucking layers of like mise en scene to get to like the heart of these characters but I feel like this movie does it so effortlessly I think yeah just the two kids the two leads so if you haven't seen Moonrise getting them it's about

Two 12 year olds, Suzy and Sam, they become pen pals because they meet during a Noah's Ark production. It's so good. It's so good. Sam is a khaki scout, which is like a boy scout, and he's an orphan. And Suzy's parents are Frances McDormand and Bill Murray, so she's doing just fine for herself. And they become...

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They're all right, same time next year, let's meet up and run away together.

So they Sam with his khaki scout skills. Which is so funny because they're on an island. Girl, where are you reasonably going? Well, they get off the island. So and they get married. They do get off So they do do it successfully. I forget they do get off the island. They flee the island and they get married. Like, no, they follow through.

They go to the next island over, I forgot. The next island over to get married by fucking Jason Schwartzman. So iconic. And so they plan this runaway together and basically Sam uses all of his wilderness skills and Susie teaches him about reading and self-expression and art and individuality and all this sort of stuff that comes innately to teen girls that teen boys just sort of struggle with.

Which is so funny because we have him immediately or introduced to, not immediately, but I'm sorry, the whole thing that he's a painter kills me. Yeah, he does landscapes and a few nudes. Yes, yes! No, but it's really beautiful because you see his paintings in the beginning from their letters and they're kind of bad. They're just like of telephone poles and like of kind of mundane shit.

But then Suzy sort of teaches him about artistic expression. And then at the end of the movie, his paintings are beautiful. he grows. She unlocks something within him. They go camping, basically. They go camping on this little desert. And they dance around. She gets her ears pierced. the beach. Yeah, he pierces her ears. They have a cute little time. And they're a nice little bubble away from the world. But then obviously, Suzy's parents are like, she's missing. And then Ed Norton.

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Who's the Boy Scout troop leader. He's like, where's Sam? And so this sort of island wide rescue party spearheaded by Chief of Police, Bruce Willis, who is in a romantic entanglement with Frances McDormand. They're all looking for these kids and we get the whole khaki scouts involved, young Lucas Hedges on a motorbike.

Baby Lucas Hedges in this, oh my God. Dude. Him with the stab wound. Wes Anderson has had like a lock on some of these kids. He had baby face Lucas Hedges in here. had the kid. Saoirse. The kid from Asteroid City is in this movie. He was the little brother who the record player gets stolen. That's the kid in Asteroid City. Yeah, he keeps these kids on retainer, bro. Which one? The.

Suzy's little brother who she takes his basically the only of the three little brothers, the one with the darker hair, the only one who ever gets any sort of like lines or because it's his record player that she, yeah, he sports with some. What? my God. I didn't realize. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. He really had him under lock and key with that one.

And then I also thought that the casting for the two leads is just like enlightened. I think that those two kids just have amazing chemistry together. So such amazing performances. Like honestly, it's shocking to me that both of these kids didn't like blow up as incredibly successful actors after this. have they done anything seriously afterwards? Let's see, I think.

They probably both do TV now for the most part. Kara Hayward who plays Susie. She was a voice in Isle of Dogs. then she's listed as somebody in Jordan Peele's Us, but I don't remember her. Interesting. I don't remember her in that as much. But Jared Gilman who plays Sam, I know him mostly from my Twitter feed. I have been an active follower of his since Moonrise Kingdom.

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when I first saw it, wherever I was. He's always tweeting funny stuff. He's just like a funny guy, but I don't think he does a ton. I think maybe like, again, yeah. Like acting wise. lots of here and there TV stuff, it seems. Sure, sure. Yeah, no, their chemistry was great, but at the same time, I was watching this movie and reading it like this kid is autistic.

And he also has the most T-Boy swag I've ever seen in my life. And that's his fag hag. That's a trans man and his fag hag. no, but that's one of the most beautiful relationships that there can be. Well, right, exactly. It's just making me think, I was watching this movie and I just saw Pedro Pascal and Vanessa Kirby in...

the Fantastic Four press circuit. I'm like, this is them. It's them. my God, that's too funny. He does have T-boy swag. That is so funny. Right? Okay, like come on. Those glasses. my God. He looks like his name could be Kai.

But also like the unclogged autism, like that's going on. The unclogged neurodivergence that's clogged. yeah, true. That's going on with both of these teenagers. Like I love, he has this one live where he's like, I think.

Like a lot of people don't like my personality or just something very like a plain blanket statement. Like I think a lot of people do not like my personality. That is a very funny thing to say. Like I'm built different wrong. think incorrect. And then there's this whole thing with Susie where she finds her parents have this like how to cope with your troubled child like zine basically like a how to help.

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guide for troubled children. She basically has implied that she goes beast mode. Literally, she goes Kayla gorilla mode. my god, full gorilla. Full gorilla. I love from the TV show Hacks, Meg Stalter, her character, she always says, I'm going to go half gorilla. And then she's like, you'll know when I go full gorilla.

integrated that, I'm like half-Gorilla mode. Everything I'm doing half-Gorilla mode. Cause you'll know when I go full Gorilla, I'm gonna be stabbing Lucas Hedges on that dirt bike with my lefty scissors, okay? Wait, speaking of Meg Stalter, have you watched the new Lena Dunham show with her? Too much? Nope, not yet. Have you? Interesting. I've started it. It's really good. It's good? It's back to the sauce that made girls. I'd say so, yeah.

I've been on my Twin Peaks rewatch, because I never saw- In the middle of summer is interesting. I feel like that's a fall winter show, I know. All of a sudden, I just wanted to do it, because I had never seen the third season that came out in 2017. And I've never seen the movie Fire Walk with me. So I only ever just seen the original run of the first two seasons. So I'm almost done with season two, and then I'm going to start getting into the stuff I haven't seen.

yet, which I'm pretty excited about. mostly I've been cranking Baldur's Gate three. I'm a gamer now. I fully have like that extra vertebrae. been transformed. That extra vertebrae that gamers have so that your neck can kind of do that terrible posture. Yup. I have developed that. I am. I am two bad days away from starting Red Bull. Okay. Because I'm out here rescuing the gnomes.

freeing the people. am doing the Lord's work. I'm working from home. You know, this email finds you on the Sword Coast, bitch, because I'm freeing these people. I'm busy right now. Thank you. Is this like a offshoot of any other games or is this like a one off? So it is Baldur's Gate. This is Baldur's Gate 3. I have no knowledge of what the whole deal is with one and two, but basically it is a video game system.

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modeled exactly on the rules of Dungeons and Dragons. it is... you have told me about this. It's a full computerized D &D system that then they have this whole campaign that you set up and you play through. But the great part about it is that you pick your character and your class and your abilities and all this stuff, and then you go and there's all these dialogue options and all these different checks you have to pass and stuff. So I feel like you could go back and restart the game and...

go down an entirely different path of like, cause it just, it branches off and there's just a bajillion different fucking things. So it's very replayable. Yeah. I was going to say it just sounds like a really good way to like get into D and D and sort of start understanding it. Especially if you don't have, if you don't have like your own, um,

that you're playing with, right? Can you play solo? Yes, yes, yeah, it is totally solo. They actually only recently made it multiplayer, so it is a total solo thing. getting, the visualizing all of the different things that make up the D &D rules has been very helpful for me. I'm running a real campaign in real life too, and getting good at the video game is helping me get better at doing it in real life too, a lot as well. So I've been, yeah, I've been in my gamer era lately. Nice.

Nice, that's what's up. I'm excited for some of the horror movies coming out right now, not to keep shifting gears, The only one I know really much about and how many interest in is weapons because. I'm very excited for weapons. I also, saw the trailer. The trailer didn't give that much away, which I appreciate, because I feel like too many trailers show me the whole movie nowadays. I saw the trailer. Honestly, the trailer didn't like spark anything. It didn't like really intrigue me. the thing that really.

Intrigue to me was that the bidding war that went on for this script, apparently the script for this movie, Jordan Peele and the people at Monkey Paw put forth a bid and failed and you know, they didn't get the movie and Jordan Peele fired like everyone involved who lost this script. Basically, he wanted this movie so bad. I'm like, if Jordan Peele had the vision for it, I'm interested to see what

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what it's all about. Like that is what drummed up some excitement for me. But what Well, it's the fact that, well, did you see Barbarian? No. you should watch it before you watch this. Zach Kroeger is the one that ended up directing it and he did Barbarian. And firstly, I think you would really get a kick out of Barbarian because it is horror, but it's not, it's got a different beat to it.

than I'd say most horror, at least in my opinion. And I think you'll also get like, you'll get creeped out, but you'll also giggle through it. I love that. I need to laugh too. the same time. Yeah, exactly. So I'm really happy for that. But what I'm really interested in seeing is together with Alison Brie and Dave Franco. Oh, yeah. Do you know about this one? I've only seen the promo stuff that they've been doing and everyone's commenting like.

Dave Franco and Alison Brea are wildly overestimating how much the public cares about their relationship. Ha ha ha. Like, everyone's like, do they think anyone gives a fuck about them? Like. That is true. I'll give them that. That's true. to me, it was like the shock when it was like the little hours and like some people like didn't really realize that they were married and then you realize they find out that they're married. You're like, that's hilarious. I'm like, we're, it's. I love it. That was 10 years ago. You know. Exactly. We're.

Beyond that but I don't know anything on that. I also just know the billboards with their like lips stretching and stuff. thought those were cool, but I don't know anything about the film itself. What's the deal? I know it took a lot of, which I mean, this is gonna be an obvious statement because any body horror movie takes a lot of its liberties or a lot of its...

Inspiration from, of course, the substance now these days. A modern classic. A modern classic. And the thing was something that inspired this one a lot apparently, or it's the director's god who's the director too.

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Michael Shanks, I guess that's Michael Shanks' favorite movie. So, I don't know, we'll see. I'm excited, but it's sitting at like a three and a half on letterbox right now, Which could be perfect. Nothing too crazy. Exactly, I don't need anything wild all the time. I was recently talking to somebody about movies and they were like, do you like horror movies? I was like, yeah, yeah, whatever, whatever. And then they asked me about, what's the, Talk To Me is the movie with the hand, yes, yes, Talk To Me. Is the people who made that, do they have something new coming out?

recently. Yeah, they came out with one called, I think it's called Bring Her Home and it's with Sally, what's her name? What's her last Fishman in the Shape of Water, Paddington's adopted mother. Sally Hawkins. Hawkins, thank you, thank you, thank you. I was talking to somebody and they brought that movie up and they're like, I'm excited to see that one. was like, I don't know about that. And then they're like, oh, talk to me. I'm like, oh, I didn't see that. And then we just went on this like.

like we're doing right now, it's like Barbarian just naming recent good horror movies. I was like, no, no, no. I was like, oh, I guess now that we're talking about it, don't. I'm not into horror movies. But I could be. If you put it on, I could be. Yeah. Talk to Me would also be a good one for you to watch, I think. It's creepy and it's very good, but I wouldn't say it's too much. I heard...

was that my partner told me about the bring her home one and that was really fucked up apparently. So I don't know about that. I can't speak to that one, but I will vouch for talk to me and Barbarian. So. So tonight I'm going to see a new Fantastic Four movie. I couldn't give less of a fuck. I don't give a shit. I'm just gonna be a warm body in a seat there for popcorn basically. you know what? There you go. You know what I will be there And sometimes that's the perfect thing. You know what? I'm gonna get there and all of my gas is gonna get burnt out.

in the first 10 minutes where I get to see the Avatar fire and ash trailer that plays before Fantastic Four. will be the high that I ride for the rest of this. Have you watched it yet? I sent you the link. You didn't watch it. I did. Well, I didn't watch the Shape of Water. Should I watch the Shape of Water? Yeah, I feel like I want to have an Avatar one and two. So here's my hope is that when they released Avatar two, they did a rerun, a re-screening of the first movie in IMAX. And I went and I re-saw one.

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and it was amazing and I saw two and it was amazing. And so I'm hoping they do re-releases of one and two in IMAX so that I can see them again both in IMAX before I see the third one. I also alternately was thinking I could just host a party at my house so we could watch them on my Yeah, your big ass TV. My big TV. Yeah, the big girl TV. Yeah, I would, because it's one of those things, like Avatar came out what, in 2012 or something like that?

So I was 13 when I first saw it and I never saw it again. So that movie means literally nothing to me. And then I didn't see The Way of Water because why did it come out eight years later? Because you don't understand. You don't understand that it was a cultural, we're going to have to get into it. I think maybe December I might force you to kind of crack into this. I'd to.

with me because this whole franchise is incredibly interesting. if you haven't seen supposed to be five movies, right? It's yeah, it's going to be they filmed. They filmed them all. They're done. They just have to make them. Yeah, because there are kids in them. They filmed all the movies at the same time. And then it takes so long to make them because the computer graphics are so fucking cutting edge that they're inventing new editing systems for these fucking movies.

So wait, so how long ago were these all filmed then? Cause they must've clocked in later for the second one, right? They took a couple of years off, right? Yes, there was a break between one and two. Cause I saw the thing of like Zoe Saldana signed on to this when she was 28 and she's going to be like 54 when they end. Simultaneously filming in late 2017 and concluded in 2020. So for four years they filmed. then so in between, so the first one came out in 2012.

and they filmed for four years and now we get the releases of two through five, which two is out and now three. then, you know, I'm sure it will be probably a year until, because it was a year ago, this movie too. Well, that's like, this is also like, if Avatar can do shit like this, why the, and don't get me wrong, I don't give a shit about these.

The SWAMP (34:48.672)
at this point. The fact that Stranger Things is now coming out with their final season, put it away, put it away. Don't even release it. There's no reason. No one cares. Like, I always think about Joseph Quinn's sort of career trajectory, that he was like, not that famous. And then he was in Stranger Things and he really blew up from Stranger Things. And then he sort of started all of these bigger acting projects. And I'm like, him?

as a lead in a film, he has been the lead of like three films that have come out since Stranger Things. Three theatrical, fucking A Quiet Place, Fantastic. Like literally the delay has had him to become a full A-list movie star since that show blew him up and the next season isn't even out. Like it's ridiculous. My favorite timeline to timeline is the fact that

The last season of Stranger Things was put out. And then since then, all four seasons of The Bear have happened. my God. Like... Real. my fuck. It's stupid. Just get out of your own ass. Get out of your own ass. Nobody is watching. Stop digging in your butt.

But no one is watching Stranger Things, no one is reading or watching Harry Potter, like we're moving on from these things that are shit. when all of it is just so shit, like we just need to all move on from it and I think that's what we need to do, that's what we've been doing. Nobody gives a fuck about Stranger Things anymore. Good, good, we need to move along. Are you depressed?

Well, I'm not anymore because my mom Jen is here to do Chocolate or Vanilla, her interim podcast segment where we all say the thing that we like the best. Do you remember in the movie when he says, are you depressed? When she's talking about being a troubled child and he's like, are you depressed? I just really liked the way I his diction on that. This is a good one to have you on for. By the way, everyone.

The SWAMP (36:49.454)
Matt Bacon is here. Hello. out Matt Bacon. Friend of the pod. As you may know from such esteemed episodes as the lighthouse and- This is your one and a half. Okay. This is your lion king one and a half right now. Wait, am I tripping? It doesn't matter. as I often do when we have a guest, will say the order in which we will speak. say two things. Then we're all going to say which one we like better. I am Dara. I'm going to go first. Then Emily.

then Matt Bacon, then Jen, we circle it back. What is the theme this week? If any. So loose theme, but it's kind of like some sun, some moon. The sun and the moon. Yeah. like them both. I'm really excited to see what you're pulling up with here, Jen. right, chocolate or vanilla?

Chocolate, I had chocolate ice cream for dinner. Nice, that's really good. Lovely. because &Ms. Yeah, chocolate. Walking in Sunshine by Katrina in the Waves or Send Me on My Way by Rusted Root.

my God, Send Me On My Way by Rusted Root is like so funny. So it's such a funny song. You don't know, like you've heard it. You've heard the song and you know this song, but you don't know that you know it. It's in every movie. It's in every like community college commercial. It's just like, My parents listen to We're not gonna get sued.

I'm gonna I'm gonna mute us so that we don't have to edit this out because Matt and I are gonna listen to it I'm gonna pick send me on my way by rusted root cuz there's a bunch of parts where he just goes like something about what they are but those are those are words and if you find out what they are it's really surprising that's sure yeah it's in a lot of movies it's in a it's in a lot of stuff yeah yeah travel somewhere

The SWAMP (38:56.273)
I'll go... I'll go... Yeah, I'll go Rusted Root. I'm remembering all the other lyrics now. just taking everything in me to not do anything with it. Bum-sum-bum-a-um. Rusty Root for this week. Next one is... So two books that are second in the series, New Moon or Catching Fire.

Ooh, Catching Fire. Absolutely. Both are bangers. Both are like the peak of the series for me. Yeah, it's Catching Fire for sure. I would also agree. Another sweet Catching Fire. Next one. Suze Collins. She does not miss. This is true. Next one. We got some Post Malone songs. Sunflower, Circles, or Congratulations.

I think I definitely, yeah what is circle? I don't know the circle. So again, I don't want to sing it. But I do know Sunflower was in the Spider-Burst movie so I'll pick that one because I remember.

tolerating that but Post Malone is like somewhat of an enigma to me. I don't understand anything about that man because you look at him but then the music he makes is like top 40 like fucking like Marshall's music like it really doesn't match but like apparently he's actually like a really good singer but he just chooses to make music that sounds like that so that also doesn't really make sense. Yeah I'm gonna go I'm gonna go

Congratulations, just because that's when I knew Post Malone back in the day. I couldn't name a single Post Malone song that's come out in the last five years, maybe. And I like, think, think Bring Back Fat Post Malone. I liked his energy. Bring Back.

The SWAMP (40:51.022)
Bring back anyone who used to be fat, who isn't fat now. Get fat again, please. Yeah. Oh my God. Everyone. Yes. Everyone used to be better. Sorry. You were better when you were fat. Yeah. Let's send it back. Send it back that way. Please, Matt, what's your song? Circle. Circle. yeah, yeah. That actually was from, think, one of his newer albums where he actually sang. And it was actually kind of cool. Oh.

seeing it's not popular so I shouldn't be managing his career clearly. I like all these songs. I'm gonna go with Sunflower.

Like recently he's collaborated with Morgan Wallen. He's a country guy now. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Also, I wish I was going to say though, I wish I didn't match. I wish my look didn't match my personality.

Like, I we both we all match here. You're very well tailored to yourself. Next one is croissants or an English muffin. Croissant. Actually, no, I'm going to pick an English muffin. I love an English muffin. I very regularly because you can stick them in the freezer and they're like a bread product that like just doesn't really deteriorate when frozen because you just can read.

toast them and they're like the fucking same. Some jam and some butter on an English muffin bitch, that's gotten me through hard times. I was gonna say, are we talking like just like the plain things as they are or like topping the Yeah, just in general. I guess, cause like what would you go for? Yeah, you could dole up yourself. Yeah, can juj it up. You definitely have to juj it up a little bit. I guess a croissant you can eat on its own in English muffin would be like, this is dry.

The SWAMP (42:46.574)
I mean, like, I got, like, for me, I'm gonna go English muffin because I had a really good English muffin experience, like, yesterday. I got a, it was a corn jalapeno English muffin. It was really awesome. Yeah, slapped some cheese in the middle of that and just went to town. It was great. Yeah. Not the English muffin experience. Yeah, I was gonna say, I grew up, I grew up on English muffins and chunky peanut butter. So that's probably my go-to. butter? I was gonna say English muffin with peanut butter.

Extra chunky. Yeah. That's breakfast, lunch or dinner. Yeah. Definitely was.

That's like when that's like when they, when your parents start making you in charge of your own lunch for school and you just start walking in with like the most like heinous bullshit. Like I remember I used to slather like- Yeah dude, just candy. I would just, I just brought candy to school. All my teachers were like, are you okay? It seems like you only eat candy. And I was like, it's fine. Half a pancher and like a quarter of a sandwich. Exactly. On an English muffin because you couldn't find the bread.

The SWAMP (43:59.399)
Next one is a moon pie which we used to call them scooter pies when I was a or a whoopee pie. So moon pie or whoopee pie. What's the difference? Moon pie is like pack and packer.

It's a, yeah, Moon Pie is like marshmallow and it's like a package, it's like a little Debbie adjacent type, kind of. It's a Malamar. I don't think it's a Malamar. Malamar is not, a peanut. What are those? Moon Pie and then what was the other one? say, Whoopie Pie. Whoopie Pie, because a Whoopie Pie can be anything. That's all encompassing. That's just the name of a dessert. Whereas a Moon Pie is a specific, you're talking about like a spoon. I want a Whoopie Pie. brand. I am picky about Whoopie Pies though, cause I get really, if the middle is just

kinda cool whippy, I'm gonna get really upset. It's gotta be like, or like a cream cheese to a red velvet whippy pie, or like a carrot whippy pie, so fire. But I will say Moon Pie, I don't know if I've ever had one, but they run a really funny Twitter page back in the heyday of like, like a quirky advertising Twitter, like you know, the,

Wendy's girls tweeting, fuck you if you eat McDonald's, know, like very 2012 era shit. Yeah, whoopie pies. feel like, I feel like getting a disappointing whoopie pie is definitely very disappointing, especially like, I think they're one of those things that you can see them at like, they're brought in like, and left on the work room like table in the break room, I think. And they're like, might be fantastic, but they might be ass. Yeah, I think for, I think for the consistency, I'll also go.

Was it Moon Pie? Yeah. Plus, that one sounds really good. I'm not like, obviously, we know per this game, I'm not a big chocolate girl, but graham crackers dipped in chocolate, and then in the, that sounds good to me. Like, I would say Whoopie Pie. mean... Say Whoopie Pie. Stand on your I'm gonna say Whoopie Pie. I've just never had a Moon Pie before. I mean, also, like, I don't really know if I've ever particularly had a Whoopie Pie before.

The SWAMP (46:09.102)
I'm not from New England. It's a New England thing. Yeah, I think they were invented in Maine. That sounds good to me. Oh Oh yeah, if you're not from here, what a Whoopie Pie is, is two cake-like patties sandwiched with a crosty type of thing in the middle. Yeah, they're almost like, it's like, think muffin toppy. You know? I thought Hostess or someone like that made something like it.

No. a Suzy Q? Maybe. I always grew up with, what are the oatmeal cookie ones? The little Debbie's with the cream in Oh my god, yeah, I grew up with little Debbie's in house. were crazy. I never had little Debbie's. Yeah, that's when you got an 85 year old living with you. You got little Debbie's on hand. I was a Drake's cake, coffee cake.

mother fucking bitch. you would be coffee cake from a young age. Drake's anything. Those two little coffee cake muffins that come, they're already squished. Perfect size. And they've got the strudel, the strusel, whatever those fucking chunks of cinnamon on top. They're like a yodel or something like that. think was one of the other ones. my god. Yeah, like it looks like a...

a swirly. Oh yeah, yodels are like ho-hos or whatever they're called. They're all the same. They all have like ding-dongs. Yodels, ding-dongs, doodads. Cosmic brownies, zebra cakes. Is it what you would call it a kind of candy? What what? What you would call it? Yeah, it's a bar. I think so. It's a peanut forward. Like a peanut butter rice crispy. Matt Beacon, did not know you weren't a local guy. Where are from?

I'm from New York originally. Oh, you're just like poor. don't know if I did that. New York. He's from New York. He's Italian. He's from New York. doesn't like sugar in his coffee. I'm going to go with the Moon Pie because I just I'm always afraid a Whoopie Pie is going to be too dry. That's why it's much more Yeah.

The SWAMP (48:19.308)
It's a lot of cake. And that's what I'm saying. If that filling doesn't hold up, that radio left with like ratio. It's yeah. Next one is a solar eclipse or a meteor shower. I've never seen a meteor shower. I've never been in a meteor shower. I don't even I don't know if I know one if I saw it, but I'm going to pick that one because the last eclipse was really such a hassle for me because at the local library.

We told people on Facebook that we had glasses and we had like a box of 50 and literally like 800 people mobbed the library for these eclipse glasses. And I literally feel like I had to get riot gear. It was crazy. And I was like, you guys know you can just stay inside. They were like, everyone was freaking out. They're like, what do we do? The librarians, what do we do? And we were like,

Just don't look at it. I don't know. We're out of glasses. We were out of glasses four days ago. It's not like protective gear. Do people understand that?

Well, it will hurt your eyes if you look at it without them. yeah, but just don't look at it. Just don't look at it. You don't have to look at it. That's crazy. I'm gonna go- People got so jazzed about it. Two of my coworkers had to do a presentation about fall prevention at the local assisted living place. And nobody came because they were all outside watching the eclipse. There were two people in the audience and there were rows and rows of chairs set up on the cromies.

and watching the eclipse. They're falling down in the dark. exactly. Taking a spill down a hill. Because you blinded yourself looking at the eclipse. My eclipse story isn't super fun either. What happened to you?

The SWAMP (50:12.47)
So I went for my birthday because it was right around my birthday. I went to it was a choice between going to Rochester or Burlington, Vermont, because that was the line of totality. yeah. Ryan went to Burlington. Yeah. So I asked people that had been to Burlington. I asked Kesty and she was just like, no, you traveled for an eclipse. Yeah. Well, it was for my birthday. Listen to this shit. I wanted to take a road trip. I wanted to take a road trip to like actually see it.

So I went to Rochester to not only see the Eclipse, but to get something called a garbage plate. A garbage plate! Yes! So, the thing that I went... wait, wait. What's the garbage plate? Yeah. Matt, tell everyone what a garbage plate is. As someone who lived in central New York and observed this from afar, this shit is so fucking crazy. amazing. So garbage plate is specific to Rochester. It is a plate with home fries, mac salad.

a special kind of chili sauce that they put on it and then something called like a red hot, which is like a red hot dog or like a hamburger patty. And then you cover it in mustard and ketchup and like do other stuff. So it's a pile of slobs. It's a slob You have to to be a fat boy. It is is literal slob, but it is the best slob on the planet. So it's delicious. That combo is delicious. It's so good.

It's so good. Like, I make my own. I think this would be like if I had to nominate like a food that was like, like, you know how states have like the state food or the state bird or something like that? This is what I would nominate for the entire United States. But Matt, your eclipse. The one day that I went to see the eclipse, the original place was closed that day.

The plate lady. place that invented it closed. And also it was completely overcast. So I actually didn't see the eclipse. I tried driving as You didn't get the garbage plate. As You got nothing. I got nothing. I did end up going to a different place that had garbage plate. Wasn't, I mean, it was really good, but it wasn't like the original. It wasn't the original. Which one is it? And you traveled. Like Henry Tows or something like that.

The SWAMP (52:30.414)
Yeah, so I cried on the side of the highway and told myself, I'm going to see the next eclipse wherever it is, which is in Iceland next year. Let's go in Iceland. Oh, are you serious? Dara, should we crash this trip? Well, I would love I love any excuse to visit a fringe European nation. Are you kidding me? I also love the Iceland airport. We did a little layover there and their tour, their tourism campaigns got my ass. like, I'm super keen. Yes.

It's not bad. Everything else. Yeah, because they're an airport that does all the layovers. So it's not as expensive. already have it booked? No, I check every once in a while for when I can book it out. Yeah. But I can't yet.

But at the library, everyone was talking about where can I see it? And I was like, it doesn't matter unless you legit go to Iceland. yeah, like going to the fault lines in the United States or whatever will only make so much of a difference. You've got to go like fucking see the aurora borealis in real life if you want to like actually experience a cosmic event, you know? So for that reason, I'll choose meteor showers out of spite of not seeing the eclipse. We'll see. And if it's cloudy in Iceland.

It's gonna be trouble for me. I'm gonna go media shower as well just because in the few times that I have seen shooting stars, I get really jazzed about it. And I could imagine that's gonna be just stunning. But Jen, thank you for offering up all of these opinions and options to us today. We love you and we'll see you next week. Bye, Jen. Bye.

The SWAMP (54:12.302)
about Wes Anderson, is he trans these bitches out? Yeah, I bet because he's fucking organized as shit. This man's planner is probably immaculate. Oh yeah, he's sitting down there like a bitch with like doing her English notes in class, you know what I mean? bullet journal? Yes, it is all color coded, but like down to the minute. Yep, and he has like that swirly, loopy, girly handwriting. He's using different colored gel pens for the different...

categories of things. No, absolutely. I just feel like you can tell that he's someone who's like bursting with creative energy and ideas. Like that's why I'm saying every time these movies are, you know, to Wes Anderson, you're always to, you know, he's too in his own. No, that's I'm like, like Asteroid City specifically. And then the Phoenician scheme, just seeing like with bigger scale production, productions and budgets. I just I just think.

We should give him the tools to make anything he wants because yeah, he's giving us great movies year after year. This is the kind of guy that like, he's like, dochi in the way that he's like, I don't do drugs. have work to do. You know what I mean? Like he's got he's got to what I want whatever ADHD he has. You know what I mean? You're not how to channel that shit perfectly. But I will say one thing about this movie that I

I don't know. I guess it just made me realize, let's get Francis back into the mix. When's the last time she was in one of his movies? Yeah, I don't know. It's been a minute. she in French Dispatch? I guess. She was in the French Dispatch, fucking Timmy. She was not. That was pretty good. That was pretty That was really good. She was not in Asteroid City. She was not in the Phoenicians game. No, no. She's been on loan with one of the Coen brothers.

I'm sure she's just doing one of her other regulars. Yeah, does she get loaned out by the Coens to others or do you think that Wes loans her? Wow, because all women are properties of their All women are property and owned. Yes, exactly. That's we're saying. Okay, wow. Who let her do Nomadland in that case? mean, sure.

The SWAMP (56:32.334)
Did I have to see Frances McDormand's shit in a Home Depot bucket? No. Yes, I did. But did I? Yes. Did that stick with me? Yes. Yeah, obviously. But I wanted to sort of inquire about sort of your experience. we're doing camp as our theme, did you ever do like this movie's a lot about the khaki scouts, which are sort of a

re-imagining of the Boy Scouts. Did you ever do like scouting or scout camps or anything like archery and any shit like that? I know. I didn't do Girl Scouts or anything like that. The closest I ever came to doing archery was, what is it? We have a big outdoor expo in one of the towns near us. So I go there every like other year and I'd...

throw a fucking fishing line out and I'd shoot a gun and then I'd call it a day. But no, no camping. I'd say the closest I ever came to camping was, like, not camping, I've been camping, but like going to like a camp, like a day camp for kids or something like that was we had Camp Borendale, which we definitely talked about on the pod before. a science camp that we all went to in sixth grade. Yeah.

Yeah, they had us, we made necklaces, but we also dissected sharks. We learned about ecology, like oceanography and ecology, and it was all about estuaries, I remember. It was like going into estuaries with boots and finding sample water samples and looking at water samples and stuff. So it was all like Earth, it was like an Earth science camp, basically. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so we did that, which was a sleepaway camp for basically a week.

You guys didn't get to go though, because your school was... Well, you went, but you didn't get to go for like a whole week. Yeah, you guys went for the... We were too big. Yeah. We lived in adjacent towns that went to different school programs until middle school, and then we all got dumped together. So we had somewhat different, like, you know, early elementary type experiences. And then at middle school, we all got jumbled up, which was nice. Exactly.

The SWAMP (58:41.166)
Yes, yeah, really necessary. Good to mix us around because... But yeah, that was mostly it for me. What about you? Did you do like day camps as a kid? Yeah, for sure. Because both my parents like worked nine to five. all through the summer, they like found other places for us to be, you know, whether that was like just like out my grandparents house or like at other day camps. Sure. specifically...

live in a town that also has a live action history reenactment museum where it's like a plot of land where they've like recreated Massachusetts in the fucking 17, 1870s. 1870s, 18. Some like that. 1870s Massachusetts. But they had camps where you would go and you'd put on a petticoat and a bonnet and you would just be a child actor basically. you know, we milked cows and we learned how to knit.

and stuff like think this is something Suzy would have loved, actually. Yeah, Suzy needed this kind of structure to meet other Suzy would have loved, exactly. my God, weird girl maxing. I was never big into like Girl Scouts. I never did Girl Scouts. My brother did Boy Scouts for like a little bit. Sure. It was all about selling popcorn. it wasn't, they were never actually camping. were just like doing fucking bullshit. But I did go to a camp that was like a pretty traditional American day camp that I would say that we were like,

doing very performative, culturally appropriative Native American chants. we were in tribes and we hung out in teepees and we learned archery. you it was a very problematic. played a lot of capture the flag probably. Yeah, in a lake, capture the flag, duck, duck, goose, like camp activities. But also they had like a ropes course and archery and know, stuff like that. like a craft tent. That's where I was most of the time.

But there is this deep history of white people culturally appropriating Native American culture for camps and camping and scouting and what we find it to be applicable to rather than it's just an entire history of a nation that we wiped out. It's super fucked.

The SWAMP (01:00:59.046)
But our school's mascot, was Native American. The name of our high school is named after the Native American land that was then taken. So a lot of history in America is a lot of us performatively using Native American culture, but not as a form of quote unquote appreciation, but actually not recognizing the people who currently live here who are displaced and oppressed.

So fucked, but I was kind of interested because there is the obvious sort of native element of the Boy Scouts here, the khaki scouts. Just because that's kind of how it is and it's the 1960s. But I was sort of interested, like, obviously this sort of idea of like American masculinity comes from this like cowboys versus Indians genre of like film and media.

So it's like sort of, but then also this like rugged masculinity of the Native American also kind of gets adopted into that as well with the whole, you know, the scouting and needing to know the land. But I was curious because I was like thinking about the Boy Scouts and I was like looking into the history of the Boy Scouts because I was like, why is it so culturally appropriative? Like where does that come from? And the answer to that.

to that is that it's just like we do that to everything and it's shitty. Well, there's no real reason. It just is how it happened. But I was kind of interested to see that the Boy Scouts have actually had like a recent kind of falling and a disbanding because. yeah. Because of is it because of all the child predators? Yes. So but there's a really great documentary about it on that. statute of limitations issue. So I didn't realize.

So what had happened was the Boy Scouts of America was formed in like 1900 and it was inspired by British scouts who were doing a similar thing and they sort of some British people brought it over to America and it became this thing and then like organized scouting troops then became the Boy Scouts of America and it's really flourishing and then into the 60s and the 70s it's this very popular, know, American widespread youth activity. It's like very popular as we think of it today somewhat.

The SWAMP (01:03:09.358)
And then, you know, as time progresses, we get into the like the early 2000s and stuff. it's like, well, because in their rules, they said that girls and outwardly gay boys could not be in the Boy Scouts. literally had it in their handbook. said they said that specifically gay boys cannot be in Boy Scouts. So this was yeah. Wow. Yeah. So this was like written into their doctrine forever. And then it started to be questioned like, hey, that's you know.

Not only do some girls have interest, but like, what's up with that? Not cool. and so I would love to do the Boy Scouts as a kid. 2015, they finally reversed that language and gay members and leaders are accepted. But then, who pulls the rug? The Mormons. The Church of Latter-day Saints pulled their funding from the Boy Scouts, which is detrimental and half a million.

Boy Scouts leave with the- Holy shit! Half a million Boy Scouts leave with the Mormons. So the Mormons pull out from Boy Scouts because they're like, if you're going to let them be gay, we're out of here. So they pull, which then, this is 2015, this puts the official Boy Scouts of America organization into financial ruin. Then, we're proceeding in 2019, a bunch of states passed a legislation that extended the statute of limitations on child sexual abuse reporting.

So it's basically like, if something happened to you a long time ago, you can still report it now and we'll try to follow up on it. Whereas, you know, it's like that happened so long ago, we can't do anything. So then all of these people come forward about stuff that happened in the sixties and seventies. And, you know, some up to today, obviously it's persistent, but mainly because of the statute of limitations extension, all of these people came forward like, yeah, in the sixties I was

you know, abused by my scout leader. And that then between the years of 2017 and 2019, the Boy Scouts of America had to pay 150 million dollars in lawsuit pay like settlements, settling for child sexual abuse cases. Isn't that crazy? So they file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy because they have lost their funding from the Mormons. They've lost all this money to all these sexual abuse cases.

The SWAMP (01:05:35.05)
And then, and now it's just basically in ruins. It's basically just dissolved. Now, I mean, it still exists. Boy Scouts still exists. But I can see this sort of being the soft ending of that organization. Like, I just don't think it's gonna continue to be as popular. And I honestly think the Girl Scouts have surpassed the Boy Scouts because people care about cookies.

more than they do about popcorn. And it's all about capitalism. If we're doing capitalism, Junior Club, that's the Girl Scouts. That's where the lifeblood is. Exactly. But no, if anyone's interested in learning sort of more about this topic, though, I will recommend Scouts Honor, the Secret Files of Boy Scouts of America. It came out in 2023 and it's on Netflix and it just goes into sort of the...

decades long cover ups of sexual abuse within the organization. It's crazy shit. Right, I had just learned about all of this. just didn't know that much about the Boy Scouts, but honestly it just doesn't seem that popular anymore. It's just because of video games, it's because of phones, but it's also because the whole institution is founded on pedophiles. Unfortunately, just about anywhere that young boys are gathered, be that the church or the Boy Scouts, the pedophiles will be there.

in droves. yeah, it's really, it's really shitty stuff. you know wasn't abusing any children, it was actually uplifting children. That's Bruce Willis. Norton. Ed Norton too. He was doing a good job. And Ed Norton was being a good Ed Norton in this. I typically feel incredibly neutral about him. I don't really care about Ed Norton. Agreed. I he's like a fine actor, but he just like doesn't really leave much of an impression. Yeah, but I did like him in this one a lot. I like when he's being a little more silly and whimsical.

But Bruce Willis, I loved his performance in this as well and then he swoops in at the end to sort of save the day. I love, as we were talking about, the unclogged autism when Sam sits down to have the conversation with Bruce Willis' character and they're in his little house or whatever and they're both just this sort of awkward, distant...

The SWAMP (01:07:48.858)
somewhat off-putting type of guy and then watching them interact with each other and you're like, that's why this is going to work. It's because you both have compatible types of neurodivergencies. Exactly. Or just communication styles. Bruce Willis is really dry and he appreciated how straightforward Sam was all the time about everything, which then he gets adopted at the end and then his paintings become good.

and all as well. Swinton as social services does not get to bring the child to the juvenile detention center and all as No electroshock therapy for Sam. Tilda Swinton's wig in this movie was sending me. I mean, it always is. She's just, she's magnificent.

Yeah, can do no wrong, in my opinion. But I do believe she has long COVID. though? Yeah. She's just talking really weird about telling people to swim in. She can do no wrong. But actually, several wrongs. wrong about a lot of stuff, Yeah, acting wise, no wrong. She's pretty solid. life. Who's to say?

Yeah, should we get into the meat of this? I feel like there's a good chunk of really good adults in this film that I would like to fuck or marry. should do the love triangle first. Fuck, marry, kill. Francis McDormand, Bill Murray, Bruce Welles. Bill Murray is dead, obviously. We all know Bill Murray is dead. kind of like that when he's like, I got to go outside and chop down a tree. He's like, I got have my pirate style bottle of wine and my axe to chop down a tree.

Relatable. Yeah, like the way that he's developed his coping skills. But yeah, if it's between those three, he's dead, I'm marrying Francis and I'm fucking the cop. Yeah, yeah, I think I gotta agree with you on that one, because feel like Francis and I can just run away, maybe to an adjacent island or something. Exactly.

The SWAMP (01:09:57.326)
Exactly. Where is the boys? Someone to tie down and Bill Murray. want no part of that. Honestly. No, no. Not interested. And then out of the whole movie, I am undoubtedly marrying cousin Ben Jason Schwartzman. is, of course, he will officiate our own wedding. I just think his character is so whimsical and hilarious. And the fact that he.

just does not question. He's like, yes, I will marry these two children. Or he does question it. He's like, go think about it. And he's like, okay, you thought about it, I'll do I think is a good way to do it. I loved his character in this. I always get a kick out of him. So I think I'll marry him. I'm gonna fuck, who's the weather? The weather, the guy sending off the weather balloons who keeps telling everyone that the storm is coming. What's that actor's name? Love I don't know, but I know who you're talking about. Love him, he's a cutie patootie.

and then who am I gonna kill? I'm gonna kill social services. No, I'm gonna kill Sam's foster parents who did not invite him back. I'm gonna that man on the phone. Not as fucked. I'm gonna agree with you that you kill those guys, I'll kill social services. And then I'm gonna fuck.

I think I'm fucking Ed Norton still. I think he's very eager. And I can get behind that. He's got some not tying badges. Yeah, he does. He knows how to tie a knot. And then I'll still marry Frances. Really? I feel like she's always a reliable choice. She seems like a complicated woman though. I don't know if can handle all that. I can get behind that.

And then you're having a little watch party, a moonrise kingdom, a little soiree. What are you going to prepare as a feast? It's not gonna... I can't say that it makes sense to me, but it's just a feeling. And I think that this one, I think it's the yellow font, of course. So I think that you have limoncello and then you have some cannoli dip with the crackers. That feels like So right.

The SWAMP (01:12:09.302)
Okay, thank you. Yeah, it feels like one of those things of like, as a kid, don't really, I remember as a kid, learning what cannolis were, and that felt like a timestamp, you know what I mean? What, like learning that there's cheese in it? Well, not cheese in it, but I just feel like, like I had, I don't have a lot of memories.

pre and post cannoli? Yes, exactly. think that I can put that time stamp on my life somewhere. And I feel like that's around the time I'm like 13 years old and you're like, oh, now I have a favorite dessert. Oh yeah. Before that, I was like, oh, ice cream, oh, a cookie, whatever. Then you figure out that there's cannolis and a whole world opens up for you. I think that's a great idea. I, in real life, this is what I did in real life and it felt very like, cause I was like, I'm gonna watch this.

really aesthetic movie and honestly, because I like trauma watch this so often, that like watching it outside of a state of being really emotionally vulnerable, I was like worried that I was gonna slip into something. I was like, I worried I was gonna start getting worked up about something. So I like, I really need to prep and make this like a cute little thing that I'm doing or whatever. So I was like, I'll have my little starter and then I'll make a halfway through.

pause the movie and made myself dinner and then I like ate dinner. And that's like half of the movie. But so I started it off, okay, to preface this, I don't know why the Dubai chocolate feels so innocuous to me. Like, it because Dubai is kind of a fucked country and like, why are we all like going on vacation to Dubai? Like that is weird. But basically anything that's Dubai chocolate. It's really weird. The LaBouBou Dubai chocolate, I don't understand it.

but I will not complain that pistachio is now a readily available flavor to me everywhere. everyone's freaking out about the Dubai chocolate is just like pistachio chocolate combination basically. like specifically the Dubai chocolate is like flaky. There's like a flaky component or something. But whatever. I don't understand. I don't want to get into it, but everything is available in Dubai chocolate flavor, which is just pistachio chocolate, which

The SWAMP (01:14:26.594)
like pistachio and chocolate together. I honestly think I prefer pistachio by itself or like with other flavors other than chocolate. love a pistachio ice cream. will say. at Trader Joe's, they had a pistachio. They called it gelato dessert. They had an asterisk and the asterisk led to then a section that said gelato inspired frozen treat. And I didn't investigate, I didn't look on the ingredients to try to extrapolate what they meant by that.

Whatever makes gelato, clearly weren't, maybe is it eggs? It was maybe just that there were no eggs in it, probably. I don't fucking know. Sure, probably. They love to do a dairy-free whatever. But it was, in the little package, was like checkered, know, and like ice cream can be checkered with like vanilla and pistachio, like checkered of this gelato. And so I scooped some of that into a little dish for myself. I crumpled up, crumpled? I crunched up some pistachios, some real pistachios for a little crunch.

did on top and then I put that shit under my espresso machine and I made myself a little affogato. A a little pistachio affogato because I feel like you said this movie is very like yellow and green like coded. So I that as my little starter, wake me up, watch half the movie and then I continue my yellow slash green color story. And I use again, this is sponsored by Trader Joe's. I'm using the

Cacio e pepe raviolis that they have. So it's like a Cacio e pepe filling in just like a ravioli. And then I make that with like some bacon to give it like a carbonara kind of energy, but then just like pesto. So it was like a pesto carbonara-y fucked up ravioli thing. That sounds really sexy. I wanted to do like a green color story to like, I don't know what felt green about this movie to me.

But anything you do, think it should be very well planned and aesthetic and try to make it look really nice. As long as you plate it kind of symmetrically, think you can get away with it for sure. I agree. Or just kind of indulgent. feel like Wes Anderson movies are always kind of indulgent. would describe it as well. then what are you going to follow this up with? I have two answers for you. I also have two. I have one that feels...

The SWAMP (01:16:47.086)
Okay, so my first one is if we wanna keep it sort of in line with the precocious teens, not fitting in, whatever, I think the movie Submarine is a really good one, especially it's very much of that era. I think it was 2014. It's very like Arctic Monkeys, Tumblr days. They're very aligned. But at the same time, I think that the natural progression of this for me

This movie makes me feel like a kid again, for sure. And I like when Wes Anderson taps into that, I guess, where I feel like that connection. And I feel like it's very much the whole like, I wanna grow up. I wanna grow up and be an adult. They're getting married, you know, it's the whole thing. But I think the next, I already talked about it in this episode as well. But I think Asteroid City.

fits really well, it's all about sort of like the, now I'm in a adult, like what happens next? What do I do? Like I don't understand it, yeah. Like what am I doing? The whole, it feels like the natural progression in my opinion. So yeah, I'd say one of those two. What about you? I, on a comfort movie level, I would say Sink Street that I just recently have added to my comfort movie canon. think it's very much like,

awkward boy is sort of infatuated with this kind of cool girl. think the Lucy Boyton character in Sing Street like very much feels kind of Susie coded to me, sort of manic pixie dream girl kind of energy, but just like very comforting, very heartwarming. And then if we're going to take sort of the Susie through line specifically that scene.

where her and Frances McDormand are sort of reconciling and she's in the bathtub. I love that one. That was really giving me like Lady Bird. So I feel like the next step you could go to is like who is Suzy when she gets a little older and she's Lady Bird for sure. That's Lady Bird. Yeah. That's a great recommendation. And then out of 10, I'm going to give this movie a seven. I think I would have revered it as like a nine or 10 back in my heyday, but I think Wes Anderson has just outdone himself.

The SWAMP (01:19:05.774)
and has sort of built upon this. I think this is like a cool stepping stone to see where he was in his career with not a huge budget. Oh, they also filmed this in Rhode Island. Isn't that kind of cool? I was going to say, I did look up where that church seat, because it looked like some of the old Boston churches. Yeah, it was giving New England coast for sure. Because I thought they were in Maine, my guess. it was Rhode Island. But yeah.

Love Wes Anderson, problematic a little bit, cultural appropriation adjacent. Has he actually done anything to truly offend me to my core? No. Will I continue to see his movies? Probably yes. Boy Scouts of America, kind of fucked. And we're going to do camp this month. So send us in if you have any wild stories about camp or what camp movies you'd like to see us do or if you are like Brooke Drew.

and you have an amazing idea for a theme along with several movie recommendations. Sometimes when we're feeling lazy, we'll just fucking use that shit. So I appreciate it. We love all of your comments and everything. Thank you for being here and have a lovely rest of your day and goodbye and good night.